Talk:Serekh

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This is entirely too focused on Narmer and has very little to do with Serekhs in general. --Nefertum17 06:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Nephiliskos believes that the article serekh should be merged with this one. The two articles cover pretty much the same subject, and Nephiliskos said of the latter article on my talk page: "Their quality is horrible, their refences very fragmentary and big parts of their content is redundant or concentrated too much on one subject". If anybody supports or objects to this merger, please say so below.

• Comment. The royal name should certainly be covered in one article and not two. But what about the serekh pattern itself? It's an artistic motif, also known as the "palace façade", as well as a component of the Horus name. Probably the best-known example of the serekh pattern is on the enclosure walls of Djoser's pyramid complex. There are other examples, like the walls of the burial chamber of Unas and the pattern on the side of Osiris's block throne in the Papyrus of Ani. And the pattern is assumed to imitate the niched walls of Predynastic royal enclosures, which are considered one of the major signs of Mesopotamian influence on late Predynastic Egypt. The current article about the serekh doesn't cover its use as a motif, but some article should.

I believe that we should either have: 1. A single article about the serekh that would cover the Horus name as well as the use of the pattern as an artistic motif; or 2. keep them separate, so that the Horus name article covers that subject in detail while the serekh article summarizes that one and focuses on the artistic motif. I favor the first option myself. A. Parrot (talk) 01:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

What on earth are you writing!? I don't wanna merge them, I just wanna shorten "Two Ladies" and "Serekh"! I already explained the reasons on your discussion page: Both articles talk too much about the royal title connected with the subject, but the subject itself is not described or explained. Both subjects are no titles, but "Two Ladies" is a mere euphemism and a serekh is just a crest. Please, don't make up things! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:59, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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The previous entry on serekhs was inaccurate. They were not replaced by cartouches. My article gives the history, progression, and use of serekhs throughout the history of ancient Egypt. My Egyptology professor at Brown University has edited the entry previously and corrected it. She has her PhD in Egyptian art and archaeology, majored in Egyptology, and is currently an archaeologist in Egypt. I have 34 footnotes and used multiple books in my research that all verify the facts in one another's book. None of the statements made in the article are opinion, but are rather based on the research I conducted. It is well-written and well researched and deserves to completely replace the previous article. Nothing from the previous article is really that useful. Below are my footnotes. Henbrag (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Henbrag Kathryn A. Bard, An Introduction to the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt (Malden: Blackwell Publishing, 2008), 114. Ian Shaw, The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt (New York: Oxford University Press Incorporated, 2000), 6. Stephen Quirke, Who Were The Pharaohs?: A history of their names with a list of cartouches (London: British Museum Publications Limited, 1990), 29. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 33. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 44. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 36. Kathryn A. Bard, An Introduction to the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt (Malden: Blackwell Publishing, 2008), 114. Ibid., 123. Ibid., 123. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 200. Kathryn A. Bard, An Introduction to the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt (Malden: Blackwell Publishing, 2008), 123. Stephen Quirke, Who Were The Pharaohs?: A history of their names with a list of cartouches (London: British Museum Publications Limited, 1990), 11. Kathryn A. Bard, An Introduction to the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt (Malden: Blackwell Publishing, 2008), 114. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 33. Ibid., 33. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 202. Ibid., 201. Ibid., 201. Ibid., 202. Ibid., 295. Kathryn A. Bard, “The Emergence of the Egyptian State (c. 3200-2686 BC),” in The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw (New York: Oxford University Press Incorporated, 2000), 86. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 36. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 295. Kathryn A. Bard, “The Emergence of the Egyptian State (c. 3200-2686 BC),” in The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw (New York: Oxford University Press Incorporated, 2000), 86. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 37. Kathryn A. Bard, “The Emergence of the Egyptian State (c. 3200-2686 BC),” in The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw (New York: Oxford University Press Incorporated, 2000), 86. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 91. Ibid., 92. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 37. Ibid., 37. Kathryn A. Bard, An Introduction to the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt (Malden: Blackwell Publishing, 2008), 114. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 73. Gay Robins, The Art of Ancient Egypt (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2000), 33. Toby A.H. Wilkinson, Early Dynastic Egypt (New York: Routledge, 2000), 202.

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