Talk:List of kings of the Picts

Questions on Naming

Hmm, I have a problem, not with the dates, as they will be varied from source to source, but I have a problem with names, the source i got this from gives slightly different names to one i am looking at on the net, I think it's due to translation, but it shows that all the Drest's were called Drust, which affect the numbering; here is the source: [1].

I think I will use the above website, as it's what i am using for the kings of Dalriada. I also believe the website is quite accurate. -fonzy

Drest/Drust and Bridei/Bruide are just spelling differences in this case, not word differences. You should also be aware that some scholars think that the words "Brude" and "Drust" may actually be titles rather than names but no one is very sure about it. -- Derek Ross

They're probably language differences actually (Bridei/Drust being Pictish; Bruide/Drest being Scottish). - Calgacus 22:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Surely these names should be rendered in Pictish since the names of Gaelic monarchs are renderd in Gaelic?

84.135.196.115 17:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Since surviving documentary sources are almost entirely in Old Irish, Middle Irish, Latin, and Middle French, this isn't really an option. The only king names found on monumental sources, from memory, are forms of Drost[en], Custantin, Talorg[an], Nechtan and Ferat, and only Onuist/Ungus and Bruide are convincingly recoverable from documentary sources. Anyway, by either of the competing theories concerning kings from 761 to 839, the great majority of rulers after 696 were of part-Gaelic origin. Then you'd need to consider the ones who were part Anglian (Talorgan f. Eanfrith and Bridei f. Bili at least). In my opinion, which counts as original research, Pictland and Picts are misleading constructs, and the Pictish language was only a group of dialects of Insular Celtic languages. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Poppleton Pictish Kinglist

Here is the list of Pictish kings from Óengus I mac Fergusa (i.e. Onuist, son of Urgust), with the names and year lengths as they appear in the text. I was wondering where good old Bred was?

• Onuist filius Urguist, xxx regnauit
• Bredei filius Uirguist, ii
• Ciniod filius Uuredech, xij
• Elpin filius Uuroid, iij
• Drest filius Talorgen, iiij. uel v
• Canaul filius Tarl'a, v
• Castantin filius Uurguist, xxx.v
• Unuist filius Uurguist, xii.
• Drest filius Constantini et Talorgen filius Uuthoil, xii conregnauerunt
• Uuen filius Unuist iij.
• Uurad filius Bargoit, iii
• Bred, i

(the list has been cut off here, were Ciniod filius Elpin would have appeared).

It's generally accepted that Bred is an alternate name for Bridei VI of the Picts. Since this text was written in Latin and possible translated from the Scottish language with Gaelic language intrusions, it is very possible that they are variants of the same name. I used the Poppleton text for the compiling of this list of Pictish kings. The link at the bottom of the main article goes to a very good translation of it and compares it to the Latin text, also listed.
–Whaleyland 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Kings in the Lebor Bretnach, a Gaelic translation (with additions) written in Scotland

This is a Pictish kinglist, going from Bridei, the first historical king from other sources. It was inserted into the Lebor Bretnach in the 2nd half of the 11th century, when the Lebor Bretnach was composed (probably at Abernethy; which held a king-list):

• Bruide mac Maelcon .xxx. a. r. Mochtaauuo anno regni eit baibtizatus est. Esancto Columba.
• Gartnait f. Domnach .xi. a. r.
• Neachtan nepo. Uerp .xx. a. r.
• Cinhoint f. Luitriu .xix. a. r.
• Gartnait mac Uiud .u. a. r.
• Tolorc frater eorum duodeicim a. r.
• Tolorcan f. Enfret .iiii.
• Gartnairt f. Donuel .ui. a. r. & deimidium anni.
• Drusc frater eius .uii. a. r.
• Bride f. Fle .xx. a. r.
• Taran f. En Fidaid .iiii.
• Brei f. Deirilei .xi. a. r.
• Nechtan f. Deirile .x. a. r.
• Drest & Elpen conneganaueint .u. a. r.
• Onbes f. Urgurt .xxx. a. r.
• Breite f. Uugut .xu. a. r.
• Ciniod f. Iuuredeg .xu. a. r.
• Alpin f. Uuoid .iii. annis regnauit & dimidon regni.
• Drest f. Talorcan .i. a. r.
• Talorcan f. Drostan u uel .u. deg.
• Talorcen f. Onust .xii. & dimidoin a. r.
• Canul f. Tang .u. a. r.
• Cuastantin f. Uurguist .xxxu.
• Uidnust f. Uurgust .xii. an. r.
• Drost f. Consatin & Tolorc f. Uuthoil .iii. a. r. conregnauerunt.
• Unen f. Unest .iii.
• Urad f. Bargoit .iii. a. & Brod .io. a. r.
• Cinaed f. Ailpin .xui. a. r.
• Domnall f. Ailpin .iiii. r. & Custantan f. Cinaeda .xx. a. r.
• Aed f. Cinaed .io. a. r.
• Girig mac Dungaile .xi. uel .iii. a. r.
• Domnall f. Consantin .xi. a. r.
• Constantin f. Aed .xlu. a. r.
• Maelcolaim f. Domnaill .ix. a. r.
• Cuilein f. Ildoilb f. Constandtin .iiii. a. r.
• Cinaed, uel Dub, f. Mailcolaim .uii. a. r.
• Cuilein .i. dimidoin r..
• Cinaed f. Duib. ocht a. r.
• Maelcolaim mac Cinaeda .xxx. a. reg.
• Dondchad ua Mailcolaim .uii. r.
• Macbeathad mac Fin mic Laig .xui. a. r.
• Lulach .u. mis.
• Maelcolaim mac Colaim mic Donncaid iar sin.

I notice that Bred (as Brod) is mentioned again, reigning with Urad. - Calgacus 23:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

This list does not seem to contradict any of the previous lists of Pictish kings, including that on the main page. The name Bred/Brod is the only real inconsistancy as the names begin with the kings of Alba thereafter. The Pictish Chronicle states that the last three kings of the Picts were against Kenneth I of Scotland, an account that seems to parallel this list considering there are two kings simultaneously.
–Whaleyland 00:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

"Pictish kings" in the (mainly Irish) Annals

Here's something bodged up from material on the CELT site (Annals of Ulster, Tigernach, Innsfallen & the Four Masters, Chronicon Scotorum) which may be of assistance to anyone editing articles on Pictish kings. It is surely not exhaustive. There are translations on CELT, which would presumably be under copyright, of all but the Annals of Tigernach. The EH and CB entries are from the etext (pdf) of Sellar's translation at CCEL.

• AU580: Cennalath, rex Pictorum, moritur.
• AT581: Mors Bruidhe maic Maelchon, rig Cruithneach.
• AI583: Mors Bruidi m. Máelcon.
• AU584: Mors Bruide mc. Maelcon regis Pictorum
• AT597: Bass Gartnaidh regis Pictorum.
• AU606: Mors Aedhain m. Gabrain mc. Domangairt righ Alban
• AU629: Mors Echdach Buidhe, regis Pictorum, filii Aedain. Sic in Libro Cuanach inueni.
• AU631: ... mors Cinedon filii Lugthreni, regis Pictorum.
• CS631: Mors Cineda meic Luchtren regis Pictorum.
• AI633: Mors Cinaeda, ríg Alban
• AT633: Bas Cínaetha maic Luchtren, regis Pictorum.
• AU635: Mors Gartnain m. Foith.
• CS641: ... bas Bruide meic Foith.
• AT656: Bas Tolorcain maic Ainfrith, ríg Cruithne.
• AT672: Expulsió Drostó de reghno
• AU672: Expulsio Drosto de regno
• EH685: Egfrid, king of the Northumbrians, was slain.
• AI691: Quies ... (Bruidi m. Bili), rig Cruithnech.
• AT693: Bruidhe mac Bile rex Fortrend moritur et Ailpin mac Nechtain.
• AU693: Bruide m. Bili, rex Fortrend, moritur, & Alphin m. Nectin.
• AT698: Cath eter Saxones et Pictos, uibi cecidit filius Berníth, qui dicebatur Brechtraidh.
• AU698: Bellum inter Saxones & Pictos ubi cecidit filius Bernith qui dicebatur Brectrid.
• AU703: Fergussan m. Maelcon moritur.
• AT706: Bruide mac Der Ile mortuus est.
• AU706: Bruide m. Der Ili moritur.
• AT711: Strages Pictorum in Campo Manand apud Saxonés, uibi Findgaíne mac Deleroith inmatura morte iacuit.
• AU711: Strages Pictorum in Campo Manonn apud Saxones ubi Finnguine filius Deile Roith inmatura morte iacuit.
• EH711: the commander Bertfrid fought with the Picts.
• AT713: Cinaedh mac Der Ili et filius Mathgernan iugulati sunt.
• AU713: Ciniod m. Der Ili, & filius Maithgernain iugulati sunt.
• AT713: Tolarg mac Drostain ligatur apud fratem suum Nechtan regem.
• AU713: Tolargg filius Drostain ligatur apud fratrem suum Nectan regem.
• AT717: Expulsio familiae Íe trans Dorsum Britanie a Nectano rege.
• AU717: Expulsio familie Ie trans Dorsum Brittanie a Nectano rege.
• AT724: Clericatus Neactain reigis Pictorum. Drust postea regnat.
• AT725: Simal filius Druist constringuitur.
• AU725: Simul filius Druis constringitur.
• AT726: Nechtan mac Der Ili constringuitur apud Druist regem.
• AU726: Nectan m. Deir Ile constringitur apud Druist regem.
• AU726: Tolarggan Maphan moritur.
• AM726: Neachtan, mac Der Ili d'écc.
• AT728: Cath Monaidh Craebi iter Picardachaib fein Aengus & Alpine, is siat tuc in cath, & ro memaidh ria n-Aengus, & ro marbad mac Ailpin and, & ro gab Aengus nert.
• AU728: Bellum Mónidchroibh inter Pictores inuicem, ubi Oenghus uictor fuit & multi ex parte Eilpini regis perempti sunt. Bellum lacrimabile inter eosdem gestum est iuxta Castellum Credi, ubi Elpinus efugit.
• AT728: Cath truagh iter Picardachaib ac Caislen Credhi, & ro memaidh ar in Ailphin cetna, & ro benadh a cricha & a daine de uile, & ro gab Nechtain mac Der Ili ríghi na Picardach.
• AT729: Cath Droma Deirg Blathuug eter Piccardaib Drust & Aengus rí na Piccardach, & ro marbad Drust &, in dara la deg do mis Aughuist.
• AU729: Bellum Monith Carno iuxta Stagnum Loogde inter hostem Nectain & exercitum Oengusa & exactatores Nectain ceciderunt; hoc est: Biceot m. Moneit & filius eius, Finguine m. Drostain, Feroth m. Finnguine & quidam multi, & familia Oengussa triumphauit.
• AU729: Bellum Dromo Dergg Blathuug in regionibus Pictorum inter Oengus & Drust regem Pictorum, & cecidit Drust.
• AT731: Cath eter mac Aengusa & mac Congusa sed Brudheus uicit Talorcum fugientem.
• AU731: Bellum inter filium Oengussa & filium Congussa, sed Bruideus uicit Talorcum fugientem.
• AT732: Nechtan mac Der Ile moritur.
• AT734: Tolarg mac Congusa a brathair fen dia gabail & tuc i l-laim na Piccardach, & ro báidhedh leo-siden h-e.
• AU734: Talorgg m. Congusso a fratre suo uinctus est, traditur in manus Pictorum & cum illis in aqua demersus est.
• AU734: Talorrggan filius Drostain conprehensus alligatur iuxta Arcem Ollaigh.
• AT736: Aengus mac Fergusa, rex Picctorum uastauit regiones Dail Riata, et obtenuit Dun Ad, et combussit Creic, et duos filios Selbaich catenis alligauit Dondgal & Feradhach, et pauló post Brudeus mac Aengusa maic Fergusa obit.
• AU736: Oengus m. Fergusso, rex Pictorum, uastauit regiones Dail Riatai & obtenuit Dun At & combussit Creic & duos filios Selbaich catenis alligauit, Donngal & Feradach; & paulo post Brudeus m. Oengusa filii Fergusso obiit.
• AT739: Tolarcan mac Drostan, rex Athfhotla, a bathadh la h-Aengus.
• AU739: Talorggan m. Drostain, rex Athfoitle, dimersus est
• AT750: Cath eter Pictones et Britones, i testa Tolargan mac Fergusa & a brathair, & ár Picardach imaille friss.
• AU750: Bellum Catohic inter Pictones & Brittones in quo cecidit Talorggan mc. Forggussa, frater Oengussa.
• AU750: Aithbe flatho Oengussa.
• AT752: Cath Asreith in terra Circin inter Pictones inuicem, in quo cecidit Bruidhi mac Maelchon.
• AT759: Aengus rí Alban moritur.
• AT761: Aengus mac Fergusa, rex Pictorum, moritur.
• AU761: Mors Oengusa m. Fherghussa regis Pictorum.
• CB761: Oengus, king of the Picts, died; who from the beginning to the end of his reign, continued to be a blood-stained and tyrannical butcher
• AT763: Bruidhi rí Fortrenn mortuus est.
• AU763: Bruide, rex Fortrenn, moritur.
• AU768: Bellum i Fortrinn iter Aedh & Cinaedh.
• AM771: Aodh Finn, tighearna Dál Riada, d'eug.
• AU778: ... & Aedh Finn m. Echdach rex Dal Riati, omnes mortui sunt.
• AU780: Eilpin, rex Saxonum, moritur.
• AU781: ... & Fergus m. Ecach ri Dal Riati, omnes defuncti sunt.
• AU782: ... & Dub Tholargg rex Pictorum citra Monoth ... omnes perierunt.
• AU789: Bellum inter Pictos ubi Conall m. Taidhg uictus est & euassit; & Constantin uictor fuit.
• AU790: Bellum Conaill & Custantin hic scriptum est in aliis libris.
• AU792: ... Donn Corci rex Dal Riatai ... obierunt.
• AU794: Uastatio omnium insolarum Britannie a gentilibus.
• AU802: I Columbe Cille a gentibus combusta est.
• AI807: Guin Congail m. Thaidg i n-Albain.
• AU807: Iugulatio Conaill m. Taidhg o Chonall m. Aedhaein i Ciunn Tire.
• AI820: Mors Causantín meicc Fergussa, rig Alban.
• AU820: Custantin m. Fergusa, rex Fortreinn, moritur.
• AU831: Diarmait do tiachtain i nh-Erinn co mindaibh Coluim Cille.
• AU834: Oengus m. Fergusa, rex Fortrenn, moritur.
• AM835: Gofraidh, mac Ferghusa, toiseach Oirghiall do imthecht go h-Albain do nertughadh Dhail Riada, tré fhorchongradh Chionathe mic Ailpin.
• AU839: Bellum re genntib for firu Fortrenn in quo ceciderunt Euganan m. Oengusa & Bran m. Oengussa & Ed m. Boanta & alii pene innumerabiles ceciderunt.
• AU849: Indrechtach, abbas Iae, do thiachtain dochum n-Erenn co mindaibh Coluim Cille.
• AI858: Cináed macc Alpín, ri Alban.
• AU858: Cinaedh m. Ailpin rex Pictorum & ... mortui sunt.

Feel free to revise this if you see any errors or omissions, thanks ! Angus McLellan 14:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as copyright is concerned, I don't see this (on the main page) as too much of a problem, as we'll be putting them into the table anyway. Self-described Sophist (talk) 23:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Kineth Ciniod and Cinaed

Can I suggest that Kineth of the Picts be renamed Ciniod II of the Picts or Cináed II of the Picts; Kineth is Norman corruption (pre-Norman Insular languages do not use k, except in a few exceptional Latin words, like Kalends). - Calgacus 15:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Seemed good to me, so I did it. Ciniod II of the Picts it is. Which leaves Uurad of the Picts sticking out like a sore thumb. The PC lists in the back of Cummins The Age of the Picts give his name (assuming that all refer to him) as Wrad, Ferat and Ferech once each, and as Ferach twice. Ungus is at Óengus, the Drusts are Drests, the Brudes are Brideis. Why is poor Ferach mac (hmm, what is the OI name corresponding to Bargoit, if any ?) treated differently ? Angus McLellan 18:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrad is exactly the same as Uurad, and it's generally better (and preferred by Celticists) to render it Uu rather than W, because W makes it look like an English consonant or a Welsh vowel. Many would think that all Drests should be Drusts, and names generally kept Pictish, even if it is relatively clear that they used the Gaelic language. Why are they treated differently? Arbitrariness, reflecting the incremental nature of the wiki editing. Bargoit, if it isn't Gaelic, doesn't seem to have any Pictish form. The only place I can find him is the Pictish king lists, and if this is the only source for his name, this makes his name very unreliable. - Calgacus 18:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Argh! My eyes!

I'm glad there's a table now, and the information in it looks useful and interesting, But the neon colourscheme really is very extreme. At the very least we should tone it down to more pastel shades, like Tallest structures in Paris. Moreover, most of the featured lists (of those that use tables) don't use colour simply to aid readability by alternating - while Tallest structures in Paris does, most (e.g. List of notable brain tumor patients, List of Northwest Territories general elections, List of signatories of the United States Constitution, List of United States Senate committees, and List of Portuguese monarchs) don't. I think we shouldn't use colour where it isn't meaningful. If we could ascribe some meaning to it (such as different colours for different noble houses) we should still use a more muted scheme, like Timeline of discovery of Solar System planets and their natural satellites. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The color scheme seems quite unencyclopedic and un-Wikipedia-ish. But I note that 20 months-on from Finlay McWalters comment, no editor has yet stepped up to modify it. N2e (talk) 14:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Earlier King List Found

Hi I came across this very interesting article by R David here Picts with sources and he states that genealogical chart[s] are available any thoughts anyone?--Navops47 (talk) 07:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

regnal-list
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
c 75-83 01. Calgacus (Calgaich) (Gilgidi) c 85-95 02. Tarain (Tharin), son of Calgacus' elder sister c 95-120 3A Morleo, son of Tarain's elder sister c 95-120 3B Dinortechest (Dinorthetisi), son of Calgacus' younger sister 120-142 04. Duchil (Deocilinon), son of Dinortechest's elder sister 142-148 05. Cinit (Quintus), son of Tarain's younger son 148-158 06. Durgal (Duordeghel), bro of Duchil 158-162 07. Dart (Deorot; Deoord), son of Dinortechest's younger sister 162-177 08. Blieblith (Blieiblituthu; Blieiblitirth), son of Duchil's & Durgal's sister 177-184 09. Carvorst (Corb[ed]) (Corvus), son of Morleo's elder sister 185-195 10. Crud "Bolg" (Crateric), son of Dart's sister 195-205 11. Caranrog (Caranathrecht), son of Blieblith's elder sister 205-210 12. Tethra (Tethothrect) (Deototeric), son of Blieblith's younger sister 210-225 13. Uscbut (Ucombust), son of Caranrog's sister X(225)X 14. Art "Vroisc", son of daughter of Morleo's younger sister X(230)X 15. Uist, son of Crud Bolg's sister X(240)X 16. Roig, sister's son X(250)X 17. Uere, sister's son X(258)X 18. Garnot I "Bolg" (Gartnait), son of Uscbut's sister X(275)X 19. Bridei (Breth; Brath), son of Muthut & Garnot I Bolg's sister X(285)X 20. Uipoig[namet] (Vepogenus) (Wypopnech) (Umpopwall), sister's son 295-305 21. Fyahor "Albus", son of Fergus "Fogae" & Uipoig's elder sister 305-335 22. Canutulachmet (Canutalachama), son of Cathluan & Uipoig's younger sister 335-337 23. Blaire "Hasert", son of Fyahor Albus' elder sister 337-343 24. Tallad "Amfrud", son of Fyahor Albus' younger sister 343-351 25. Dongart "Netelic" ("Uetalec"), son of Fingal & Canutulachmet's elder sister 351-361 26. Wradech "Vechta" [Feradech "Finlegh"], bro 361-369 27. Hungus, son of Fergus & Canutulachmet's younger sister 369-398 28. Garnot II "Dives" ("Diuperr") [Garnaichai "Uber"], son of Dormach & Hungus' sister 398-414 29. Talorg I, son of Achuir [or Ceodar] & Garnot II Dives' sister 414-457 30. Drust I "Iron-Fist" or "The Great", son of Erb [Seirb] & Talorg I's elder sister; well-known in legend as the hero of a hundred battles 457-461 31. Talorg II, son of Aniel & Talorg I's younger sister 461-486 32. Nectan I "Morbet" &/or "Celchamoch" (Naiton; Neiton), son of Urban [Erbin] & Drust I Iron-Fist's elder sister 486-493 33. Drust II "Gurthinmoch", son of Cynvar & Talorg II's elder sister 493-506 34. Galam I "Erilich" ("Erilith") &/or "Avetelach", son of Nectan I Morbet's sister 506-511 35. Neiton II "The Saint", bro of Drust II; founded church of Abernethy 511-515 36. Drust III, son of Udrost & Talorg II's younger sister 515-523 37. Drust IV, son of Girom & Drust I Iron-Fist's younger sister 523-530 38. Garnot III (Guitard), bro 530-531 39. Celtran, bro 531-542 40. Talorg III, son of Mordoloic of Ulster & Drust III's sister 542-543 41. Drust V, son of Munait [Moneth] & Talorg III's elder sister interregnum 552-556 42. Galam II "Cennaleph", dep, d581, son of Aleth & Talorg III's younger sister 555-584 43. Brude I (Bridei), son of Maelgwn "Gwynedd" & Drust V's sister; in 565 St. Columba traveled across Scotland to King Brude's citadel at Inverness. The saint was opposed at King Brude's Court by the High-Druid, Broichan. St. Columba converted King Brude to Christianity and baptized him and others of his court at Loch Ness. King Brude gave St. Columba land on the Isle of Mona to build a church. 584-597 44. Garnet IV, son of Domlech [Donath; Domnach] & Brude I's sister 597-613 45. Neiton III, dep, d621, son of Cano & Garnet IV's elder sister 613-631 46. Kinioc (Cinioch), son of Luchtrin [Lugthreni], Earl of Albanacht, & Garnet IV's younger sister; was considerable tension between Kinioc and King Edwin of Northumbria 631-635 47. Garnet V, son of Gwid [Fothe] of Strathclyde & Kinioc's sister were border skirmishes between he and (a) the Britons of Strathclyde, (b) the Scots of Dalriada, and (c) the Angles of Northumbria 635-641 48. Brude II, bro defeated Domnall I "Brecc", King of Dalriada, in 638 in battle at Glenn Mureson, soon after Domnall's disastrous campaign in Ireland (637) 641-653 49. Talorg IV, bro 653-657 50. Talorcan I (Talargen), son of Eanfrit [Enfret] of Bernicia & Garnet V's, Brude II's, & Talorg IV's sister 657-664 51. Garnet VI, son of Donald I "Brecc" & Talorcan I's sister [her 1st =] 664-672 52. Drust VI, dep, bro was expelled in a rebellion of his people after his disastrous defeat in 672 fighting Ecgfrith of Northumbria and the massacre of the Pictish army following the battle 672-693 53. Brude III, son of Bile of Fortrenn & Talorcan I's sister [her 2nd =] turned back the invasion of Ecgfrith of Northumbria, whom he slew in battle at Nechtansmere [modern Dunnichen Moss, near Forfar] in 685, and pursued the Northumbrians back across the border 693-697 54. Tarachin, dep, son of Entifidach [Ainfrech] & Brude III's sister 697-706 55. Brude IV, son of Derile & Garnet VI's & Drust VI's sister; the [9th] Abbot of Iona, i.e., Head of the Scottish Church, St. Adomnan, attempts to persuade the Pictish king to adopt Roman usage 706-724 56. Nectan IV, abd, 1st time, bro was defeated in battle in 711 on the plain of Manaw in Lothian fighting Osred of Northumbria; recognized the authority of the See of Rome in 717; in 724 was forced to retire into a monastery by his successor, however, in 726 sought to regain his throne and was defeated in battle and imprisoned by King Drust 724-726 57. Drust VII, dep, 1st time, son of Eochaid II of Dalriada & Brude IV's & Neiton IV's sister; forced the retirement of his predecessor, and later was deposed by his successor 726-728 58. Elphin I, dep, d736, bro defeated Drust VII and drove him into exile; was himself defeated in battle at Monid Croib by Onuist [I], another candidate; endeavored to hold onto power, but was defeated in battle at Moncrieffe Hill by the ex-king Nectan IV, who regained his throne; he fled to Dalriada where he succeeded to the kingdom on the death of his brother in 733, but opposition from Muredach, another candidate, erupted in a three-year civil war among the Scots 728-729 (56) Nectan IV, 2nd time, dep, d732 was defeated in battle at Monith Carno by Onuist [I], another candidate for the throne, upon which he was again deposed and was forcibly retired into a monastery where he died three years later 729 59. Onuist I, 1st time, son of Urges & Tarachin's elder sister; expelled by various factions which supported their own candidates 729 (57) Drust VII, 2nd time returned from exile, and fought three closely contested battles with Onuist I 729-761 (59) Onuist I, 2nd time defeated Drust VII in battle, and re-took the throne. He conducted a series of raids in Dalriada from 731-736. In 736 Onuist I stormed the citadel at Dunadd and occupied the city. King Alpin [Elphin] of Dalriada was killed in the battle for the city; while Muredach, the rival-king, was chased out of the country and fled to Ireland for refuge. He was pursued by the Pictish King Onuist who caught up with him in Ulster and there slew him, and defeated the rebel Dalriadan forces. His son, Eogan [II], submitted to the Pictish King Onuist who made him a vassal-king under his overlordship, however, in 739 King Onuist deposed Eogan II, and annexed Dalriada to the Pictish kingdom. In 741 King Onuist quelled a rebellion in Dalriada led by the anti-king Indrechtach, whom he slew in battle. The war against Strathclyde from 744-756 went badly for the Picts, which encouraged another uprising in Dalriada. The defeat of the Pictish Army against Strathclyde in 750 caused a rebellion in Albany during which King Onuist lost control of his kingdom for two years (750-752); during which the Scots expelled the Pictish Army from their kingdom and regained their independence. King Onuist recovers his kingdom and renews the struggle against Strathclyde in 752. The war ends disastrously for King Onuist in 756 with the defeat of the Pictish Army in a terrible slaughter. 761-763 60. Brude V, bro 763-775 61. Ciniod I (Kiniod), son of Feradoch of Lorne & Onist I's & Brude V's elder sister; was defeated in battle by King Aedh "Find" of Dalriada, which assured Scottish independence 775-779 62. Elphin II, dep, d780, son of Uurad [Wroid] & Tarachin's younger sister 779-780 63. Drust VIII, son of Talorgen & Onist I's & Brude V's younger sister 780-782 64. Talorcan II, son of Drust VII & Elphin II's elder sister 782-785 65. Talorcan III, son of Onist I & Elphin II's younger sister 785-789 66. Canaul, dep, d807 [Conall III of Dalriada], son of Teige [Tadhg] & Ciniod I's elder sister was defeated by Constantine in 789 and fled to Dalriada where sought refuge, and succeeded to that kingdom on the death of his cousin [Donald III] in 705 789-820 67. Constantine, son of Fergus [Urgust] & Ciniod I's younger sister [note: his sister Urguisticc was wife of Eochaid IV of Dalriada & mother of Alpin of Kyntyre] succeeded to the kingdom of Dalriada on the death of his cousin [Conall IV] in 811, and took steps towards the unification of the two kingdoms. The Vikings began their attacks on Scotland during his reign. He built a new citadel for himself at Forteviot in Perthshire, and nearby founded a new church at Dunkeld. Some of the monks at Iona moved there after the repeated attacks by the Vikings in 795, 802, and 806, though the majority of them took up residence in Ireland at Kells. 820-834 68. Onuist II, bro rebuilds the church at St. Andrews' on the site of the older church 834-837 69. Drust IX, son of Constantine & daughter of Drust VIII's elder sister 837 70. Talorg V, son of Uthoil [Fethal; Fochel] & Canaul's elder sister 837-839 71. Uven (Eoganan), son of Onist II & daughter of Drust VIII's younger sister; was killed fighting the Vikings along with most of the Pictish aristocracy in the "1st" Battle of Forteviot 839-842 72. Ferat (Uurad), son of Bargot & Canaul's younger sister; was murdered, upon which his sons Brude and Kinat claimed the throne 842-843 73. Brude VI, son of Ferat [Uurad] & Drust IX's elder sister; was murdered; reigned only one month 843 74. Ciniod II, id. with Kenneth MacAlpin, 1st King of Scotland 848, son of Alpin of Kyntyre & Drust IX's younger sister 843-844 75. Kinat (Kineth), bro of Brude VI reigned for only a year when another claimant Brude [VII] made his bid for the throne 844-845 76. Brude VII, dep, bro of Talorg V was deposed by his successor 845-848 77. Drust X, bro of Brude VI & Kinat the last Pict king, under attack by Gaels, Angles, and Danes, was eventually overcome fighting Scots under Kenneth MacAlpin in the "2nd" Battle of Forteviot, in Perthshire, ending the long line of Pictish kings

The "mysterious" nature of the Picts attracts a lot of people and many of them write a lot of rubbish. Unfortunately it can be difficult for the lay person to tell the difference between them and high quality sources. Katherine Forsyth (who is a respected expert on Pictish history) talks about this in *Forsyth, K. (1997), Language in Pictland : the case against 'non-Indo-European Pictish (PDF), Utrecht: de Keltische Draak, retrieved 16 June 2014.

The website you found cannot be regarded as a reliable source. I daresay it looks impressive enough to somebody who knows nothing of this period of Scottish history but if the wild and bizarre claims made in it aren't obvious enough it's been published on Angelfire and links to an AOL email address... this would be highly unusual for a credible study. I have no idea who the author is but he apparently is also into Atlantis conspiracy theory.

A better source for the Pictish king-list is Forsyth, K. (2012), "Pictish King-List", in Koch, J.T. (ed.), The Celts: History, Life, and Culture, California: ABC-Clio, p. 638, retrieved 16 June 2014 Catfish Jim and the soapdish 08:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of Ougen/Oweyn/Owinus in the Annales Cambriae.

The Annales Cambriae mention a king called "Ougen", "Owinus" or "Oweyn" dyïng in 736, with the entry for the year in all 3 versions containing the particular version of the name used in the version followed by "rex pictorum obiit" (Ougen. This is the same year the list currently says Talargan ascended the throne. It seems that the versions a-c of the Annales Cambriae don't use the same names as this list. I was wondering if anybody might have more on this king to add him to the list. Particularly, some sort of date of accession, as the copy of the annales I've used does not mention any Pictish kings in any of the years before 736. Self-described Sophist (talk) 23:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)