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Q1: Why is the article titled "Chinese Communist Party" when the party's official name in English is the "Communist Party of China"?

A1: The name "Chinese Communist Party" is more commonly used by reliable sources in the English language. Consensus on the current title was reached on 23 July 2020 (see discussion). As of May 2024, there have been five failed proposals to revert this decision due to a lack of policy-based arguments (i.e. pertaining to WP:MOVE) on the part of the proposers.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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Move logs: Communist Party of China
Chinese Communist Party

Discussions:

RM, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, No consensus, 6 September 2009, discussion
RM, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, Moved, 16 July 2020, discussion
- MRV, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, Endorsed, 25 July 2020, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 21 January 2021, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 9 July 2022, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 19 October 2022, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Gongchandang, Withdrawn, 8 February 2023, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 4 May 2023, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 27 October 2023, discussion

Why does the English-speaking world's translation of Communist Party of China supersede the Chinese translation?

The reason for the current article title is explained in detail in the FAQ above. The consensus for the article title is linked twice above, in the FAQ and by a header specifically showing all the move proposals attempted. See WP:NC for the broadest policy of why we use the names we do, specifically common names in English. Remsense诉 21:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The official website of the CPC translates it as CPC, not as CCP. Source : https://www.idcpc.gov.cn/english2023/zlbjj/bzzc/

Why does the English speaking world's translation supersede the Chinese one? Remember this is not some google translate or AI translation, this is the literal CPC calling itself CPC in its official English language website designed to be shown to the English speaking world.

Why does it matter if 100 million English speakers wrote 100 million articles in 100 million reliable and trustworthy magazines, newspapers, scientific papers and books, that can be used as 100 million sources to be linked in Wikipedia, when the actual CPC itself considers it wrong?

Why do the people who AREN'T part of a thing the sole decision makers in the name of a thing, and the people who are part of a thing not allowed to have their official name for their thing in the English language be the name for the article of the thing that faces the English speaking world in the English version of the wikipedia article of the thing?

Why does "reliable sources" rule apply here, when the problem here is not the reliability of sources or the ubiquity of usage, but the actual CORRECT term to be used?

No one denies how reliably true it is that the vast majority of English speakers call it CCP. The question is, why does the usage of the majority automatically make it the correct title?

The marijuana article is called Cannabis, because the majority of sources are scientific sources. Why doesnt non scientific sources like newspaper articles or books matter there?

Trans people article have their preferred name and pronouns because the sources are mainstream media. Why are sources of mainstream media quoting transphobes (who number in the millions and use deadnames and original pronouns) not matter when it comes to the article name and pronouns?

Why are sources used selectively? Why are Chinese sources translated to English using translation software, or Chinese sources in English translated by the source itself, not "reliable"?

Also, how "unbiased" are sources based in countries that openly express hostility to the CPC? Is Chinese state media used as sources in articles about US foreign policy, for example?

Before you respond in an emotional manner, I'm not making a rhetorical argument here. I want the literal answer to all the questions posed above, directly explaining which Wikipedia rules apply to each and the correct argumentation for each.

Thanks. 125.62.204.79 (talk) 21:45, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Change the name of the article to Communist Party of China. There is no reason to use the incorrect, unofficial name. 62.57.57.235 (talk) 08:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This has been discussed at length already; scroll up. --AntiDionysius (talk) 08:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add notes to Communism and Marxism in the infobox

In Wikipedia, we do not really care about official party stances on their ideology, but rather we analyze them and reach consensus. While its true that until 80s the party had a communist economy, since Deng Xiaoping reforms, the party do not follow communism of any nature. Instead, consensus among scholar is that the CCP has a state capitalist and pragmatic orientation.

My propose is to mark somehow in the infobox that communism and marxism are not anymore de facto ideologies of the party. This can be done with a note next to each ideology in the infobox, explaining the party turnaround in the 80s. What do you think. FCBWanderer (talk) 16:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recommend. First is a misunderstanding of Wiki principles: we do not ourselves analyze stances -- that's OR or SYNTH. We seek to reflect them according to due weight in reliable sources.

I do agree with scholarly consensus of the CPC's pragmatic orientation. I don't think that works well in the infobox, however.

There is not, however, a consensus that the CPC is "state capitalist". Although that is one interpretation among many, it falls far short of consensus.

Overall, I do not suggest trying to achieve too much in infoboxes given the limited space and lack of room for nuance. And they are a continual breeding ground for contention. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also do not support such explanatory notes in the infobox solely because it sets a precedent for all political parties to have analyses and critiques in the infobox. Yue🌙 19:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]