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Penobscot Narrows

A new editor replaced my old picture of the Narrows Bridge, File:PenobscotNarrowsBridgeBucksport.jpg, with a newer one, File:PenobscotNarrows.jpg. The new one is arguably of better quality, and shows what it looks like today, without the original bridge that's since been torn down, but part of the bridge is obscured by clouds/fog, and the perspective feels a bit skewed to me. I restored the old picture, but would appreciate more input on which should be in the article going forward. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mech04416 and SarekOfVulcan: I saw the change listed in Pending Changes, and was just about to mark accept when you changed it back. I like the new one as it shows it with more detail. One other problem with the old image is that the perspective leaves it unclear what visual elements are from the old/new bridge. A more fixable problem is that the old image had a lot of "empty" space (river/sky) that left the bridge small. I've provided a cropped version below, but the starting resolution limits how useful this is.

There are several other image of the bridge on Commons, and I've shown some below. Or we could choose an entirely different bridge.

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ALT2 looks cool, but has the same overlap problem. ALT8 is pretty clear, but a little dreary. ALT9 might be my favorite, and it's also what's used to illustrate the Penobscot Narrows Bridge and Observatory article itself. MarginalCost (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Just for the record, I _did_ mark accept, because it was a perfectly valid change, but then undid it because I disagreed. Semantics. :-) Drat! I thought ALT11 was mine, because I took that same angle, but the image was soft-focused somehow. I'm glad someone got it properly. :-) ALT9 works for me as well, with ALT8 as the second choice. The Veterans Remembrance Bridge doesn't - I took it for a particular article, and it's way too generic to represent the state. I could go with the SML bridge, but would prefer not to because of the shadowing - you can't make out the detail very well. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, let's go with ALT9 for now then. We can always change it later if Mech04416 or anyone else makes a persuasive case. MarginalCost (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Maine for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Maine is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Maine until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Easternmost point

Because Alaska's Semisopochnoi Island is on the western side of the International Date Line, it is, as our article notes: "Semisopochnoi is, by longitude, the easternmost land location in the United States and North America." Because of this, some people want to tweak this Maine article to say that it's the easternmost point in the lower 48 states, rather than the U.S. a whole. That edit was just done and then reverted by somebody else. I support the reverting.

Being pedantically specific about longitudinal measurements rather than appearance on the map is very confusing - "easternmost" is a commonly understood description and is not altered by arbitrary measurement points on the globe. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Conversely, stating that Maine "is the northeasternmost state in the United States" is simply incorrect and furthers the already common dismissal of Alaska and Hawaii as something other than states that are part of the U.S. Clearly, when you speak of "appearance on a map" you are referring to the unfortunate mapping practice of displaying Alaska and Hawaii in grossly disproportionate overlays positioned where Mexico should be. Given your assertion that being "pedantically specific about longitudinal measurements rather than appearance on the map is very confusing," you might be in favor of stating that Alaska is actually the "southernmost" state as a means of avoiding "pedantic correctness" and to avoid "confusing" the ill informed. Providing a correct statement such as "Maine is the northeasternmost state in the continuous, conterminous, or contiguous states, or in the "lower 48 states" (the latter a term in common use in Alaska) takes nothing away from Maine but avoids furthering misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.35.105.197 (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

OK - change made. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Split politics section to new article

The Politics of Maine is a topic of particular current interest. Here are some potential sources of information:

• Category:Politics of Maine
• Search engines for scholarly sources:
  • Google Scholar
  • Core.ac.uk (Open access research papers)
  • Base-search.net

-- M2545 (talk) 13:07, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. It seems like most other states have their own page regarding the politics of that state. I see no reason for Maine not to have its own article. Biglittlehugesmall65 (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support. I agree with above comment. JakeJakubowskitalk 13:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Where does the sun shine first on the Fourth of July?

Hi,

By the way, Mars Hill Mountain was named for Hezekiah Mar and not Hezekiah Mars, eh? Thus, Mar's hill (later spelled Mars Hill. Cern atinly not for the planet Mars or Mars Hill in Athens, Greece. For the best source of the sunrise controversy, see my book, Sunrise Patriots...(2010). I was the chairperson of the Mars Hill Jaycees' project which raised the flag on July 4, 1960. I gave the myriad of documents related to that project to the Walter T. Hanson Public Library in Mars Hill, fifty years later (July 4, 2010) when I gave an address on the subject at the Legion Hall in Mars Hill, the town of my birth in 1935. There is a copy of the book Sunrise Patriots in the library as well. Actually, I gave the library a dozen or so copies to sell for its own profits in 2010. I hope that there is a least one copy there now. For public use and/or in the archives. I am the library's archivist. A volunteer effort. I have two copies in my files in Winthrop, Maine. Donald W. Beattie in Winthrop, ME. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:9306:7B31:D465:1244:C93B:337 (talk) 16:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Do you have changes to propose to this article? 331dot (talk) 17:14, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Culture - food

I am responding to edits made to the Food subhead of this page and that were Reverted by user @Magnolia677 for being "mostly a big promo of magazine awards." I apologize for the poor writing. Not the strong suit. Didn't mean to be a promo. This humble attempt was a summary of Maine's reputation for its restaurants using historical information taken from Maine pages Fore Street, Old Port, Portland, Allagash Brewing Company, The Hollow Reed, Amato's, and others, and to these I added citations to national magazines and Maine newspapers and James Beard Award recipients from Maine. Not sure how else to summarize with reliable sources the prominence of Maine's restaurants? I attempted as best as able to follow the format used in the subhead and wrote those cited chronologically but indeed comprehend it may be better grouped topic by topic? Is there an editor who would attempt to expand this subhead with the above referenced missing information about the restaurants in Maine and their reputation? 983Dihnj (talk) 18:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Mashigonne? Not historically true.

The earliest reference to this French word clearly derived from 'Michigan' is 1909. And whether it purports to be for the cartographic shape of a 'neck' or a 'knee', such nautical imagery would be completely outside the frame of reference for American first nations. And it would be wise to first check whether anything in the word 'Mashigonne' is remotely similar to Wabanaki and Mi'kmaq words for either 'neck' or 'knee,' which (fact!) they don't.

Not one of the the first cartographers or explorers refers to this area with this term either. For the promontory Montana Verde (1529), Port aux Iles (1607), Leth(bridge)* and Harrington Bay (1614) were used - and note, Casco Bay is specified on Champlain's 1607 map and footnotes. The first to step ashore was Verrazano in 1524 - who was was chased off by the Abenaki and mooned as he departed.

Christopher Levett, who claimed to be the first 'owner' of what is now Portland, referred to the area as Casco in 1623, and the Sagamore of the Casco people as Cogawesco. (He called his settlement Levett.)

But more importantly, John Smith in his 1616 A Description of New England provides more detail, and appears to be the first to reference the 'Aucocisco' in "The principall habitation Northward we were at, was Pennobscot : Southward along the Coast and vp the Riuers we found Mecadacut, Segocket, Pemmaquid, Nusconcus, Kenebeck, Sagadahock, and Aumoughcawgen; And to those Countries belong the people of Segotago, Paghhuntanuck, Pocopassum, Taughtanakagnet, Warbigganus, Nassaque, Masherosqueck, Wawrigweck, Moshoquen, Wakcogo, Passharanack, &c. To these are allied the Countries of Aucocisco, Accominticus, Passataquack, Aggawom, & Naemkeck: all these, I could perceiue, differ little in language, fash- ion, or gouernment..." and "Westward of this Riuer, is the Countrey of Aucocisco, in the bottome of a large deepe Bay, full of many great Iles, which diuides it into many good harbours." https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=etas

Where might the fictitious name of 'mashigonne' have come from? In 1702, the Abenaki were allied with the French against the English; the French were more solicitous with America's first nations, and had a particular fascination with the great lakes - Michigan (lit., Great Lake) in particular. In some way, this name was perhaps bestowed as an honorific...by the French. It is not a name the Abenaki themselves used and the word is not in their glossary. Blauschwein (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Is that true?

Are there towns in Maine that have the same names as foreign countrys? https://files.skoften.net/images/2656955/_800x1067_crop_center-center_82_line/skft-7a179058143f74bc029843c1491793c4.jpg.webp DonRolfo (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Senate President

I don't know how to do this and don't want to make any mistakes. I really think "Senate President" should send you to "List of presidents of the Maine Senate" and not "List of current United States lieutenant governors". GamerKlim9716 (talk) 03:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure it does that because in Maine(unlike most states) the Senate President is first in line to be governor in the event of a vacancy- which is a role typical of the lieutenant governor in other states. The link (which is actually a redirect, Lieutenant Governor of Maine) goes to a specific section of the Lt. governors article, showing that Maine does not have one. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

So this won't be changed? Correct? GamerKlim9716 (talk) 00:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it should be changed, but it's not up to me alone; if you obtain a consensus to change it. 331dot (talk) 05:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

The current Lt. Governors article that the redirect goes to has a link to the Maine President of the Senate. 331dot (talk) 05:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

religion pie chart

The pie chart under “religion” is bananas and does not represent the numbers in its own key. 71.178.167.65 (talk) 12:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Population growth/demographics

I added a sentence concerning population growth in 2021 and 2022 in the Demographics section. The statistics on population/demographics generally seem like they may need to be updated to reflect recent trends and remain accurate. Jameson Nightowl (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Maine’s geography

I am reiterating the post mentioned above, about Maine being the easternmost point. It is not accurate, as Alaska’s Aluetiun Islands does stretch out west of the International Date Lane, making them the most easternmost point of the US. HOWEVER, to make the statement accurate, you can tweak the article by stating that Maine is the easternmost point of the contiguous United States (Lower 48), only then would we be satisfied. 2406:3003:2002:2D79:7980:4A02:B34D:86FF (talk) 07:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I put "lower 49" linked into the sentence, but removed the link to Northeastern United States, which is then redundant since we also have New England linked. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)