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WP:MFD

Please do not nominate your user page (or subpages of it) for deletion here. Instead, add {{db-userreq}} at the top of any such page you no longer wish to keep; an administrator will then delete the page. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for more information.

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 6 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}} if it is a userpage, or {{db-author}} or {{db-g7}} if it is a draft. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding `{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~` to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status\|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6\|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Shortcut

WP:MFDHOWTO

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.

Please include in the edit summary the phrase
Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
Save the page

II.

Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
Insert this text:

{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.

Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
Save the page.

III.

Add a line to MfD.

Follow this edit link and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".

Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
Save the page.
If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add

{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.

If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add
{{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~
to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as
Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

XFD backlog
V	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	12	12
TfD	0	2	2
MfD	0	1	1
FfD	1	13	14
RfD	0	27	27
AfD	0	0	0

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

January 5, 2025

Draft:Bashir Muhammad Hussari Galadanchi

This article fail to meet WP:N criteria on WP:BLP and WP:POLITICIAN. A candidate at the 2023 Nigerian Senate elections in Kano State but not elected ([1] / [2]). No WP:RS and WP:IS available for WP:V. QEnigma talk 03:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NDRAFT is an essay and not a policy or guideline. However, I am not opposed to maintaining this article in the draft namespace until it achieves notability status or, if abandoned, meets the CSD criteria under WP:G13. QEnigma talk 07:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The nominator has already correctly declined the draft. If the nominator is reviewing drafts for AFC, is the nominator aware of the practices for the reviewing of drafts, which only involve nominating them for deletion under exceptional circumstances? See Drafts are not reviewed for notability or sanity. In the case of politicians, they may later become notable either by election to another office or by general notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Drafts are not deleted because the subjects are not notable. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 4, 2025

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Jordan Jenkins (Lawyer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. PhilKnight (talk) 06:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Jordan Jenkins (Lawyer)

Unsourced BLP, of a person claimed to be under 18, no less. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 18:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE Yes Hat Iamsteve69420 (talk) 02:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Windows 12

This draft has been declined numerous times as per WP:CRYSTAL. We also have no idea what would be the name for the next Windows version and there is a chance that Microsoft would change its naming scheme so the name might not be Windows 12. I would also suggest to create protect this draft until it has been officially announced by Microsoft Vitaium (talk) 11:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per policy. Cretinous page, now four years in the making. SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 13:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. This draft has been declined many times because no information about Windows 12 has been officially released and the main space version of Windows 12 has been deleted multiple times. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 16:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KeepBECAUSE DRAGONFLY IS A FUTURE TITAN PROBE AND WHY ARE YOU DELETING IT ITS THE SAME AS THE BEATLES UPCOMING EVENT AND YOU JUST DELETE IT. ಠ_ಠ Iamsteve69420 (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iamsteve69420: Your reason is not reasonable and we are not deleting this draft, we are deciding whether the draft should be deleted or not. Vitaium (talk) 04:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't reply in all caps. That means you are shouting or screaming, and can be viewed as a bit childish. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Rejected twice after 7 declines. This is a waste of the community's time in dealing with users who keep ignoring the need to get rid of this zombie page. ECP SALT so that an experienced editor can create either a draft or a redirect when there is news from Microsoft about the next version of Windows. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I noted in another MFD that drafts should only be nominated for deletion in extraordinary circumstances. Being rejected twice and declined 7 times is the sort of extraordinary circumstance that calls for deletion of drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While this would never make it into mainspace right now, this is a product that is likely to be released in the future. I have it watchlisted so that when reliable sources start covering it more, I can watch as the article is expanded and possibly promote it to mainspace. As an example, here's a major tech website that released an article on this a couple weeks ago. What is needed here is for new editors to stop submitting this when it is in a state that will not pass. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 3, 2025

User:Kenneth Palmestål/sandbox

Promotional draft written by the company's founder (see User:Kenneth Palmestål) whose mininimal edit history seems to be mostly about promoting his company. A google search shows no indication this company could meet WP:NCORP but not bad enough for WP:G11 or WP:U5, so bringing it here. RoySmith (talk) 15:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also this remind me of "This is sponsored by..." Videos on youtube Iamsteve69420 (talk) 18:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Almost G11. Almost U5. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep But does it have a wikipedia page? Iamsteve69420 (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, so if youre american, i think you work at night because in usa 01:58 Utc is night Iamsteve69420 (talk) 20:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 1, 2025

Wikipedia:WikiProject Islamic manuscripts

This was never a real project. One member (the creator) with only two edits days to the main page of the project and that's it. Zero talk page activity or anything else. Gonnym (talk) 08:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As the nominator says, there was never any collaboration involved in this supposed WikiProject. The work of a WikiProject is done on its talk page, but there has been no activity on the talk page. The originator is blocked, and so is unlikely to restart this supposed project. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If someone wanted to start collaboration in this area then they'd do better to try and start a taskforce at WikiProject Islam.-- D'n'B-📞 -- 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Iamsteve69420 (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 30, 2024

Draft:François Rappo

This draft page is an unreferenced biography of a living person. Unreferenced biographies of living persons are an exception to the rule that drafts are not reviewed for notability or sanity, because they are checked for BLP compliance. The originator has been blocked, but that is not the reason for this nomination. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as an unsourced BLP. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as an unreferenced BLP. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 16:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Bduke (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete feeling neutral to this, but leaning more towards delete, hence a delete and not neutral. I agree that nom's arguments are well-formed. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 29, 2024

Wikipedia:WikiProject Roblox

WikiProject created disruptively by an editor who has subsequently been banned for disruptive creation of unsourced or copyvio articles. Progress bars don't pertain to Roblox. I submit that this is an unwanted WikiProject and can safely be deleted. I did earlier nominate for speediy deletion under WP:G6 but then reconsidered that it did not fit into the category of a technial, uncontroversial deletion, so reverted and brought it here instead. SunloungerFrog (talk) 16:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Good idea bringing it here. I'd have declined a G6, but I do agree with the assessment above. Starting WP:WikiProject I am Napoleon! says something about any pagecreator. BusterD (talk) 16:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The originator did not go through any of the proposal and discussion steps for new WikiProjects. It appears that the creation of new WikiProjects is on hold pending review (in which case there are no appropriate steps). This project would be a candidate for deletion even if the originator had not been blocked. Also, this page is essentially a test edit by an editor who has been blocked mostly for disruptive test edits. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Lagomorpha

An abandoned portal about narrow topic (Portal:Animals would be enough) linked only in 5 articles in main space. Not supported by any Wikiproject. Page views in the past 30 days, 240, against 17,882 views of main article. Created in 2010, it has received recent editions, but they have maintained the portal's obsolete structure. Guilherme Burn (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as an unmaintained, little-used portal with an obsolete architecture. The portal was established in 2010 by a user who last maintained it in 2014. It had drive-by maintenance between 2018 and 2020 by two editors who have liked to do drive-by maintenance on portals because they like portals. Maybe they think that portals have some mystical value, because they have not explained what portals do that cannot be done with categories and links. The portal had an average of 7 daily pageviews in calendar 2023, as contrasted with 752 for the article Lagomorpha, and had 8 average daily pageviews in calendar 2022, as contrasted with 652 for the article. The portal was renamed in 2019, having previously been Portal: Rabbits and hares. This portal has the old architecture with subpages that are partial copies of the 16 selected articles. This means that if the selected articles are updated, the portal displays the old text of the article. This means that an extinct hare subspecies may be displayed as a critically endangered hare subspecies, or a deceased zoologist may be displayed as a living zoologist. Portals with this obsolete architecture should either be deleted or re-engineered. In view of the lack of maintenance and the lack of viewing, this portal should be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 28, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article creation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: redirect to Help:Your first article. charlotte ^👸♥ 23:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article creation

This article should be merged and redirected into Help:Your first article. Far fewer pages link here and it is very short; any material not found to be duplicative could be moved into that page. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question - Is there a bot that can re-thread the links? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Robert McClenon, what do you mean by re-thread? House Blaster (talk • he/they) 04:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:HouseBlaster - If you look at What links here, there are more than 500 incoming links. If the page is deleted, the links will be broken and will be red links. You can disregard my question because redirecting the page will redirect the links. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robert McClenon IIRC some of those links are duplicates with Help:Your first article so I will go through and make sure only one page is linked when applicable. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 02:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Help:Your first article, per nom. In the future, you can be bold and just WP:BLAR :) House Blaster (talk • he/they) 04:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point king, but I dislike getting reverted (lol), so I figured that I would seek consensus first. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Help:Your first article: It's unclear what the purpose of this page is. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 10:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Plastic Man (film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. charlotte ^👸♥ 23:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Plastic Man (film)

No news for this film in four years and the DCEU is officially over with the start of the DCU, therefore this is unlikely to ever be a viable article as per WP:NMFD. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 04:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: While I normally would lean no on deleting a draft, this one is almost surely not going to become a viable article in the near future. I'm surprised to see this was even revived, and it has not received any major edits outside of an IP since it was restored in August (the restoration nom has not edited it despite said request saying their intentions to do so). As a draft that was last deleted back in 2021, I support deletion because nothing new has come from this and is unlikely to in the near future, and this would likely just wind up back at G13 in six months anyway as a result. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, leave for G13, there is no rush. This draft has no copyright or BLP concerns, which were the reasons to worry about drafts lingering indefinitely. Someone wants to keep this alive, let them, either something will come of it, or it will be delete via G13 later. The biggest negative here is the use of MfD to curate worthless drafts, busywork. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The nominator and the other Delete voter have given excellent arguments why this draft should be Rejected if submitted, rather than merely declined. Drafts on future films are normally declined based on future film notability guidelines. The movie that this draft is about appears to be in some sort of development limbo. Drafts on this film were twice deleted as the work of sockpuppets. This draft has been restored at the request of a good-standing editor who is responsible for its content. If we were to decide to delete this draft, we would either have to develop guidelines for when drafts are deleted (other than by the calendar), or we would randomly delete drafts. In either case, some of them would end up being re-reviewed at DRV. There is no harm in allowing a good-standing editor to have this draft in draft space, and there would be harm in setting a precedent that drafts are sometimes deleted for lack of notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since we're here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per User:Robert McClenon. Bduke (talk) 23:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete while I am against deleting drafts, I do agree that the draft will never likely be a viable article. Best to delete it now. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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December 27, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:TCU9999/Planet Plus

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. Legoktm (talk) 19:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:TCU9999/Planet Plus

The page User:TCU9999/Planet Plus is inappropriate for user space because it resembles a fully-formed Wikipedia article. It includes elements such as an infobox, headings, references, and formatting that are typical of mainspace articles. While it may be intended as a draft, user pages are not the proper place for article drafts per WP:USERPAGE & WP:FAKEARTICLE. Drafts belong in either the Draft namespace or a user sandbox.

On top of that, there are serious concerns in regards to the subject’s notability and self-advertising:

The company, Planet Plus, does not meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. Almost all of the references are primary sources (the company's website, commercial catalogs from the company site, etc.) and complete lack independent, reliable coverage. Since the subject is not notable at all and the userpage is being used to make excessive references back to the same company site and their catalog, there is no need to retain this content in any namespace at all, see WP:NOTPROMO. Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 20:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing but promotional content Codonified (talk) 22:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? This is not promotional at all and clearly the skeleton of a draft. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It’s an acceptable draft. Nominator is wrong to state “Drafts belong in either the Draft namespace or a user sandbox”. Userspace Drafts should be subpages with meaningful titles. Drafts are not required to have a foreseeable pathway to notability and mainspace. The references can be said to be a directory of primary links to porn. If the user wasn’t active, I’d support blanking or soft deletion. I suggest to the user that they blank the draft during long periods of not working on it. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SmokeyJoe and thank you for your input on this. You do raise reasonable points and I understand your perspective about the acceptability of userspace drafts, and appreciate the clarification that they are not required to have a foreseeable pathway to notability or mainspace. I would, however, like to expand on why I believe this particular page is problematic and why it might warrant deletion or, at the very least, movement to a more appropriate namespace:

While, yes, it is true that users can maintain drafts in their userspace, WP:FAKEARTICLE discourages content that resembles a polished article in userspace. This page, with its infobox, headings, and formatting, gives the impression of being a fully-fledged Wikipedia article, which could easily confuse readers who stumble upon it that aren't familiar with Wikipedia and the difference between a user's userspace or the Wikipedia mainspace. Moving this content to the Draft namespace or a sandbox would resolve this issue while allowing the user to continue working on it, if that is their intention (which doesn't seem to be the case) because:
It's worth noting that this userspace has not been edited since 13 March, 2021, over three years ago.
The inclusion of links primarily referencing the company's website and its commercial catalog of porngraphy raises significant WP:NOTPROMO concerns. While I understand that userspace drafts don’t necessarily need to meet notability requirements upfront, the content appears to be heavily promotional in tone and focus. It serves to advertise the company rather than establish its encyclopedic value. Retaining such content, even as a draft, sets a poor precedent. Wikipedia is not a web hosting service: WP:NOTWEBHOST.

I agree with your suggestion that the user could blank the draft during periods of inactivity, but given the extended inactivity in this case on the page, I feel that moving the page to the draft namespace or sandbox or better still outright deletion, would be a more appropriate course of action.

~~~~ Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with a tag. This is a draft, and drafts may be in either draft space or in subpages in user space, and sandboxes are a type of subpage, but not the only permitted type of subpage for userspace drafts. The idea of blanking it so as not to make people think it is an article is silly when there is a template for the purpose. The user should put the {{Userspace draft}} tag on it. It's a draft. Label it as a draft, and that will solve things. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Robert, thank you for writing and for suggesting an alternative way of going about this by adding the {{Userspace draft}} tag on it. While this could clarify the page's status as a draft, I still believe that this approach wouldn't actually fully address the broader concerns about its appropriateness or potential future use.

WP:STALEDRAFT says that userspace drafts have no expiration date and cannot be deleted solely because of their age. But, when drafts are inactive for an extended period of time such as this one, which hasn’t been edited since 13 March, 2021 (just shy of four years ago), we should evaluate its content and potential. “If the draft has no potential and is problematic even if blanked”, seeking deletion is an appropriate course of action. In this case, the combination of inactivity, promotional tone, and reliance on only primary sources strongly suggests that this content has no potential to become a valid article, even with further development.

While adding {{Userspace draft}} could clarify the page's status, this would only address surface-level concerns. It doesn't resolve the fundamental issues of promotional tone, reliance on primary sources, or namespace misuse. Blank-and-tag options, as suggested by WP:STALEDRAFT, are better suited for drafts with some potential but may have problematic content. In this case, where the issues go beyond simple formatting or neutrality concerns, deletion, in my opinion, still remains the most policy-aligned solution and I hope this may help to change your mind on keeping it. Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 02:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Robert McClenon. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If u delete TCU9999 Will be sad Iamsteve69420 (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Robert McClenon. Bduke (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per Robert McClenon, and the fact that this is a draft. We really have no reason to be meddling in userspace unless for other reasons (e.g. POLEMIC, G11 But this isn't G11!, etc.). TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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December 27, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of the 197 Countries of the World

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The result of the discussion was: keep to allow it to be deleted through G13. Legoktm (talk) 19:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:List of the 197 Countries of the World

This is a draft made purely by one (now blocked) editor. It is also just an unfinished list that is already covered by List of sovereign states. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - The cost of leaving this stupid list alone for six months is zero. It will be auto-eliminated in six months. The cost of discussing the deletion of this list is measured in minutes or hours of volunteer time. Now that we are here, if we delete it, because we are already here, we establish that we will delete useless drafts when they are brought here through mistaken good faith, and will encourage other editors to bring useless drafts here in mistaken good faith. We don't want MFD to take on the responsibility of curating useless drafts, since there are thousands of them that will auto-expire, but will create busywork if we delete them because we are here. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Robert. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Irrelevant fancruft. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of sovereign states. Vitaium (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Robert and to discourage this kind of nomination. Cremastra (u — c) 18:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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