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Removed text (source of previous exclamation... :) -- April

Belonging to a group of young norwegians and friends who founded Magadhan Empire on an island in The Pacific in 1996. The Empire and its founders, Goggen, Marthe, Alfred and Alex still lives on - The population is now 157.

Why is Magadha kingdom and Magadha empire seperate?

theres no reason to seperate these

the seperation instead should have been of Restored Magdha or Later Magadha (under Guptas and Later Guptas)

not on kingdom and empire. JingJongPascal (talk) 09:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, this separation is just useless and this page should be merged back to Magadha, this is even WP:OR.Pinging page creator @PadFoot2008. Edasf (talk) 10:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why shouldn't there be a separate article when sources cover it. Definitely not OR if there are numerous sources that cover it. Magadha was a Mahajanapada and a region, while the Magadhan Empire was an empire based in the region, but included vast territories outside of the Magadha region. They are not the same. PadFoot (talk) 13:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008 This article is simply unnecessary since whether Magadhan Empire or Magadha they are completely same entity.Your comparison is completely flawed since by this interpretation we should also have a separate article for Satvahnas since they were earlierly vassals of Mauryas but later became vast empire and so. Edasf (talk) 14:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Satavahanas were a dynasty, and Magadha was a region and Mahajanapada. They are not the same. PadFoot (talk) 14:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008 Magadha was a mahajanpada that later expanded to become a empire.This can be covered in a single article only in my belief I feel this article is unnecessary.Pinging @Fylindfotberserk. Edasf (talk) 14:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Mahajanapada and an empire are different polities. A single article would be conflating too many topics together unnecessarily, and causing unnecessary complications. The Magadha article is now much less complicated or cluttered. PadFoot (talk) 14:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008 Even if you want to separate then it should be from Mauryas or Nandas Edasf (talk) 15:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do what sources say. Scholars attribute the foundation of the Magadhan Empire to Bimbisara. PadFoot (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A mahajanapada is a *kingdom*

What your saying about region , I agree upon. But the seperation you have done is not based on region and political entity but rather on two political entities.

Every empire is an kingdom before it becomes a empire through conquests JingJongPascal (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mahajanapada is not equivalent to a kingdom. You can't call the Kingdom of Malwa or the Kingdom of Garhwal "Mahajanapadas". PadFoot (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008 What?? Give a source.Mahajanpadas were kingdoms your comparison is baseless those were Medieval kingdoms you can't compare them.Yes it may not completely equivalent.I am still opposed to this separation. Edasf (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

mahajanapada means great kingdom.

If you want a seperation , you could do one on basis of Region and Kingdom/Empire

or on basis of Early Magadha (till Kanvas)

and Restored Magadha (Guptas) JingJongPascal (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and by mahajanapada if you mean they are restricted to that time period you would be wrong.

Many of these kingdoms and republics outlived the tradition 'mahajanapada era' and not changing theirself as a political entity JingJongPascal (talk) 16:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JingJongPascal You are right Edasf (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Mahājanapadas were sixteen kingdoms and aristocratic republics that existed in ancient India from the sixth to fourth centuries BCE, during the second urbanisation period.

Quoted directly from the main article, this is the exact meaning. I meant to say that they were not simply equal to kingdoms in general, I meant to say that they refer to a specific period of history as clearly indicated in the quote above. And please stop pinging me. I am aware that a discussion is happening here. PadFoot (talk) 16:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your separation gives message both were different entities which they weren't.Magadha Empire is a name used by modern scholars to refer the expanded Magadha Kingdom.Yes, Mahajanpadas were to a specific period but this doesnt proves Magadha and Magadha Empire as different.In short, your separation has grown confusion rather than ending it. Edasf (talk) 16:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many of these kingdoms outlived

The Mahajanapadas period

Same way as "Gunpowder Empires"

Outlived each other

Ottoman Empire outlived the "Gunpowder Empire" era but doesn't mean it became a different . JingJongPascal (talk) 17:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This example best explains it JingJongPascal (talk) 17:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JingJongPascal Yes I feel this article can better be merged would be good only. Edasf (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]