Talk:Saturday Night Fever

Saturday Night Fever (musical)

SNF is also now a Musical Play. The original Production, Directed and Choreographed by Arlene Phillips opened at the London Palladium on 21st April 1998. Produced by Robert Stigwood, David Ian and Paul Nicholas and featuring the original songs by The Bee Gees, it has also been produced on Broadway, Germany, Australia, and Korea.

Should I expand on this ? --Martin TB 14:13, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think it should have its own article. It really is a different entity from the film. Asa01 08:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's do a better story description!

The short 1 paragraph story description really doesn't do the movie any justice. I mean, it touched upon all the characters but it was so matter-of-fact that it read like VCR instructions. I myself haven't seen the movie in years, but a few things that should be included in the story are: John Travolta and his friends breaking into a rival gangs hang out and trashing it, only to find out it might have been the wrong gang. The death of the really nerdy friend who dances on the Brooklyn Bridge (iconic scene!). The White Castle scene. The scene where Tony complains when his dad hits his hair. "I work all day on my hair and he hits it. He hits my hair." Also, for something really special, when explaining the story why not include the BeeGee songs at the appropriate moments of the story. Lastly, definitive mention of John Travolta's famous 'strut' should really be hammered here. Come on Wikipedians, let get in gear!!! Fadedroots 04:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh...if YOU want this stuff in, then YOU can add it right now! You don't have to ask us for permission! Don't just kvetch about it, do something about it! Fix it yourself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 (talk) 07:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly not one paragraph anymore. Instead it reads like an abhorrent critical essay written by a somewhat damaged 12-year-old. I don't particularly mind, but I had thought that both overlong and analytical plot summaries were discouraged by Wikipedia's guidelines. 86.139.27.103 (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the plot description is incomplete. Particularly describing Stephanie. I thought she was living with her much older manager because she wanted to move up in society. Sorry I don't have access to this movie. 98.113.222.37 (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:PLOT is our watchword here; an overly-detailed description of every little event in the film borders on copyright violation. What should be aimed for is an overview of the whole film, describing its most important plot points. From memory, I don't think much is ever made of Stephanie's background, other than that she is clearly in a different social class from Tony Manero, and that is perhaps already made plain. So, I don't think that the details of that matter that much. Unless commentators have made a point of mentioning it, I would regard it as a detail. Rodhullandemu 00:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

You ^ are MISTAKEN. The point of Stephanie was that she was the SAME social class as Tony. One of the plot devices was that she put on airs pretending to be better but in fact, was boinking her manager to move up the ladder, which bothered her. Just watched it again two minutes ago, what is a surprise is how different the movie treatment of sex and life was in 1977. Interesting ... 116.231.75.71 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Saturday Night Beaver

Should we mention "saturday ahahahhahnight beaver", a parody I noticed in GTA Vice City video game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.239.108.131 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I would say no. The point of an article is to provide information about the subject of the article, not random information about other things that reference the subject of the article, if you can see the difference. The only way the parody would be relevant would be in the context of discussing how much of an enduring impact on pop culture SNF has had; given the apparent minor and obscure nature of the thing you noticed, I think there are probably much better examples to make that point. Jgm 14:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

World of Warcraft also nods to this movie, with the dance emote that human and dwarf males do. - Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.54.130 (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Persons referenced

There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films#References_in_Popular_Culture_Project about such sections, to which you are all invited to contribute. The JPS 12:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

best soundtrack of all time???

This article says that the soundtrack was the best selling soundtrack of all time: "A huge commercial success, the movie significantly helped to popularize disco music around the world and made Travolta a household name. The Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, featuring disco songs by the Bee Gees, became the best selling soundtrack of all time..." I have no trouble believing this, yet another Wikipedia article for Whitney Houston: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Houston states that the soundtrack to "The Bodyguard" became the best selling soundtrack of all time: "Houston continued her success into the 1990s, starting with the box office hit The Bodyguard. The soundtrack to the movie is the best-selling soundtrack of all time ... "

So which one is the "best selling soundtrack of all time"  ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.77.69 (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Good point. I will change to "among" the best selling.....Stetsonharry (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide page claims the Dirty Dancing soundtrack as having sold more than Saturday Night Fever (with 42 million worldwide). Some clarification would be good. Brettpam (talk) 23:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, the original wording said that it became the best-selling soundtrack of all time, which is true — in the late '70s, it did become that. But later, "The Bodyguard" (and "Dirty Dancing," I guess?) surpassed it. The current wording is safe, of course, but to my mind understates the achievement. Eostrom (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

What about CED?

According to a section in the article, Both the R-rated and PG-rated versions were released on VHS whereareas Laserdiscs and DVDs only feature the R-rated one. I wonder, what was featured on Capacitance Electronic Disc (aka CED)? The movie was also featured in that format.121.58.218.241 (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Versions and sequel

The parenthetical information in the fifth paragraph of this section is either very poorly written or it's plain old vandalism...not sure which.... PurpleChez (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. An IP just added to that section, and though it is poorly written, I hesitate to copy-edit it since I know nothing about the versions and releases of the movie. I also hesitate to remove it because it could actually be true...just very poorly written. MarianKroy (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

"Attica ! Attica !"

I've wondered why (saturday morning stamina ?) , clad in a low-waist brief, Tony Manero gets up in his dingy sleeping-room (where a poster of Al Pacino is pinned up the wall) , goes out into the hall (his grand-mother hides her face away from him) and, fist up, chants "Attica, Attica !". Till I watched again the 1975 movie Dog Day Afternoon , & saw Al Pacino doing the same thing. Figured this'd reveal something about the character's personnality, &'d interest those who'd wondered like me about that line, but don't know where to put it ... T.y. Arapaima (talk) 07:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

It's just an incredibly famous line from a popular and contemporary movie. Nothing more. If it belongs anywhere on the internet, it on IMDb's trivia page. It certainly has nothing to do with the PLOT of this film. JesseRafe (talk) 14:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Rape vs "has sex with"

Why are we using the term "rape" TWICE in the article when literally none of the sources use this term? 2600:1012:B056:40FB:DDC6:F727:535B:DA30 (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

This should be changed, unless there is sourcing showing the use of the word "rape" or at the very least sexual assault. Also, there are two separate incidents in the film. Do ANY sources categorize both as rape? As someone whose life has been touched by sexual assault. I dont appreciate articles like this making light of the subject by peppering every other sentence with the word rape. It's inaccurate and shows an entire lack of good faith (and good taste). 2602:301:772D:62D0:2D60:60FA:2806:DA73 (talk) 04:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

The BBFC link in the article refers to Annette's scene as "In an undetailed sexual assault a woman cries as men take it in turns to have sex with her after agreeing to sleep with only one of them." The AFI link refers to Stepahnie's scene as "Tony gives the trophy and prize money to the other couple and takes Stephanie outside to Bobby C.’s car. She rebuffs his sexual advances and they argue. Tony tries to force himself on her and she flees." Both sources refer to either non-consensual sex or attempted non-consensual sex. These are literally the first two sources in the article. In what way would the current wording of rape or attempted rape be inaccurate? Scribolt (talk) 06:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

As Scribolt has shown, the sources clearly make the words rape or attempted rape accurate and appropriate. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 13:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Why not reflect what the sources say? As a victim (notice I use the accurate term "victim" and NOT the PC-buzzword "survivor") of sexual assault I find it distasteful when this project flippantly and inaccurately throws around a word like "rape" as a joke. I changed the wording inthe first instance to better reflect the source. Let me know what you think. Why don't we work on a solution for the second example that all of us can agree on rather than just what the men want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B051:B7C3:21:F3A9:781A:4201 (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I think referring to the Travolta character's "attempted rape" as such is highly dubious. Tony makes a very aggressive sexual advance, but at no point is it obvious that he was going to force Stephanie to have non-consensual sex. She gets out of the car and walks away, and he does not prevent her from doing so. In the second instance I would be interested in the IP's rationale for how it was not rape? A woman cries as a man she did not consent to having sex with has sex with her. Betty Logan (talk) 03:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Try googling Saturday Night Fever and attempted rape and you'll get plenty of hits referring to that scene, including the Roger Ebert review currently cited in the article so I'm not sure highly dubious is correct. I also object to your logic as it sounds as though any sexual assault that didn't end in rape couldn't be referred to as attempted because we couldn't be sure what would happen. However, I'm fine with the current wording. Scribolt (talk) 06:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

There are also plenty of sources that don't describe the encounter as "attempted rape", so it is obviously open to interpretation. I'm not defending the character: Tony assaults her but he ultimately doesn't prevent her from getting out of the car and leaving. If he actually intended to rape her he could have done, just as his friends did. The point of the two scenes is that unlike his friends Tony didn't cross the line. Betty Logan (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Something being open to interpretation does not equate to something being highly dubious was my point. Scribolt (talk) 08:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

user:TheOldJacobite thank you for your pointless contribution which adds positively nothing of value. As the sources show, you are clearly dead wrong. 2600:1012:B05F:31A8:8097:4FF2:5D50:21EA (talk) 16:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)