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Why were you moving this page? The French usage is predominant, and you should at least moot it on the talk page first (and be sure you've not mucked up any links). john k 20:09, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Agree w/ John. --Menchi 21:13, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In literature

I started an "In Literature" section with a note on Huckleberry Finn, but I assume that there should be a lot of other literary references that I'm not aware of. Anyone? -- 21 October 2005

There's the Dauphin in Henry V (who is, of course, a real historical figure). In a similar vein, Charles VII is normally called "the Dauphin" in the Joan of Arc legendarium. Not sure if either of those really counts. john k 17:16, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a disbuted theory methinks

I remember this theory not being 100% valid. Yet it's the only one presented...

Louis XII

Was he ever a dauphin? Or not? The table here says no; his own page says he was, as Louis III Viennois. We need to fix these so they're consistent with each other. I know Louis XI pretty well but my area of reasonable-knowledge stops midway through Charles VIII so...somebody more educated on this subject help me out? BenesHacha 07:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, he was not. The kings of France were keeping this title for their sons, grand-sons or great-grand-sons. When there is no direct heir, when the heir is a cousin, he is not a dauphin. That's the case of Louis XII and François Ier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.250.98.243 (talk) 14:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The prestige of cetacean mammals

Is the title of "Dauphin" (literally the French word for "Dolphin") merely France's emulation of England's parallel "Prince of Whales"? That while nothing has the size and power (in terms of brute force and mass) of the British Empire (whales), France is though smaller nevertheless smarter (dolphins) and proud of it? Is this title just France's way to keep up with the Joneses ("Jones" itself being one of the most common WELSH names ever)? Why are aquatic mammals (for instance Great Seals) so important to royalty?69.86.131.64 (talk) 04:34, 01 April 2011 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

It has nothing to do with the title 'Prince of Wales'; the rulers of the Viennois were titled 'Dauphin' (because the province is near the sea and because it has a dolphin on its coat of arms); and bequethed that province to the French King; on the condition that the heir to the throne would always afterwards use that title.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 04:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

? error in table entry for Louis-Charles, 27th Dauphin of France

Note that he is shown as heir of Louis XVII, also regnal name Louis XVII. This doesn't look possible to me. I don't have the knowledge to correct it. Comment added 20 July 2011 by Russell Crosser. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.128.66 (talk) 14:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]