Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diplom
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 19:42, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
English Wikipedia encyclopedia is not a German dictionary. Chill Pill Bill 02:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Transwiki to Wiktionary and delete: It's probably good to explain the common usage of the term by Europeans speaking English in Wiktionary, but it isn't a Wikipedia article. Geogre 03:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I'm looking at the rewrite, but I can't change my vote. First, it isn't bias to be the .en Wikipedia. The words we treat are English ones. Therefore, an article on German university degrees (all English words) would be a huge keeper, but an article on Hausfrau would not. Second, the article as rewritten still is definition and not discussion. There is a move toward discussion, but it's not really there. Therefore, I have to still say transwiki and delete. Geogre 00:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, we would have to merge Master's degree, Bachelor's degree etc. into American university degrees, University degrees in English-speaking countries or similar. Martg76 23:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Did you miss the part where he mentioned that this is the en Wikipedia? ----Isaac R 05:47, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I thought Wikipedia had a global scope. Maybe you could point me to the policy that it should have an Anglocentric bias? Martg76 21:39, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It's not "bias" to organize the material in a way that's useful to your particular audience. We're not refusing to talk about German-only degrees (that would be bias!), we're just talking about them in a way that easier to understand if you're not already familiar with the German educational system. ----Isaac R 22:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I thought Wikipedia had a global scope. Maybe you could point me to the policy that it should have an Anglocentric bias? Martg76 21:39, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Did you miss the part where he mentioned that this is the en Wikipedia? ----Isaac R 05:47, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, we would have to merge Master's degree, Bachelor's degree etc. into American university degrees, University degrees in English-speaking countries or similar. Martg76 23:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I'm looking at the rewrite, but I can't change my vote. First, it isn't bias to be the .en Wikipedia. The words we treat are English ones. Therefore, an article on German university degrees (all English words) would be a huge keeper, but an article on Hausfrau would not. Second, the article as rewritten still is definition and not discussion. There is a move toward discussion, but it's not really there. Therefore, I have to still say transwiki and delete. Geogre 00:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Wikipedia is not a German dictionary.Tobycat 04:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)- change to Keep per review of changes. Tobycat 05:12, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Transwiki and Delete freestylefrappe 04:55, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC).
- Wiktionary. JamesBurns 10:43, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I just transwikied it. --Dmcdevit 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. National systems of academic degrees vary considerably. If pages explaning academic degrees in non-English-speaking countries are deleted, but pages such as Master's degree, Bachelor's degree (which do not traditionally exist in German-speaking countries) are kept, this must inevitably result in an Anglocentric bias which I think most of us don't want here. Martg76 22:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep per Martg76 - this doesn't seem like a mere dictionary entry to me. DS1953 02:24, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep - Changed vote. Martg76 added two new sentences. I agree with Martg76's reason that we shouldn't be cultural bias which wasn't the reason why I nominated it. --Chill Pill Bill 03:12, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep post-dicdef version. I hope my rewrite was helpful. ----Isaac R 22:27, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)- Sigh. I think my rewrite addressed the dicdef issue, but the other point Geogre raises is a good one. For an English-speaking readership, it doesn't make sense to provide separate articles for all the different German degrees, especially a degree that's being phased out. A comprehensive article on German post-secondary degrees can cover all this in one place, and in a more useful format. So Delete my own prose. And in general, let's not be so quick to say, "It's not a dicdef, it's a stub." Not every sub-sub-sub-subject deserves its own article. ----Isaac R 01:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Move/merge to German university degrees, i.e. use it as a section there.SeventyThree 23:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep While there is an English translation of Hausfrau, there is no English translation of Diplom, just as there is no translation of Bundestag. Diplom is a name for a thing and there is no English name for that thing, if we want to describe it, we therefore have to use the German name. Markus Schmaus 16:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- That's an argument for defining, Diplom, not for writing an article about it. Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary.----Isaac R 18:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. It does not make sense to have an article on Master's degree and not on Diplom. Many people who don't live in an English-speaking region use the English Wikipedia because it is the most comprehensive, the word Diplom is also used in English to refer to the German degree, and the article has enough potential to grow. Note that Education in Germany already has a long section on the German system of tertiary education. -- Jitse Niesen 17:00, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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