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Player of the year

He didn't win the onze player of the year award... Even the source says he finished second in 2005/06 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.51.19.189 (talk) 01:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Club career statistics

In the career statistics chapter (Club section) it's mentioned that during 2009/10 season, Gerrard made 13 appearances at the continental stage all in the champions league scoring twice. Well in fact he did made 13 appearances but 6 of them are in the champions league and 7 are in the Europa league because Liverpool finished third in their UCL group stage. And his two goals were scored in the Europa league not in the Champions league as the article seems to imply. Please review this mistake and correct it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.236.178.30 (talk) 01:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done REDMAN 2019 (talk) 13:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2021

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Steven Gerrard should have the 2005 super cup included in the honours section. He was injured during the actual match itself but Thomas Muller was injured in the Club World Cup final this year and he still got the credit for his teams victory. 119.160.103.215 (talk) 09:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide a source which says so. We cannot base articles on such synthesis of information. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar

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In the Rangers section of the Coaching Career section, it should read, "During the 2020–21 season, Gerrard led Rangers to one of their best-ever starts to the season," not "lead."

Done REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update in Manager details

As the season in Scotland has come to an end, I believe it would make sense to update a few details in the Rangers section. "claiming back-to-back derby wins over rivals Celtic" should be updated to mention that Rangers have managed four wins over Celtic in the 2020-21 season, something they haven't done since 1996-97. Rangers have managed an invincible league season, the first time they've done it in 38 games. 102 points is their best ever points tally, beating their Premier League record of 97 points. 13 goals conceded is also the best ever defensive record in a 38 game campaign in the Scottish top flight. It is their best top flight goal difference ever, and the most goals scored in the league by Rangers since 2002-03. I know it already says "Gerrard led Rangers through a record-breaking season" but I believe specific details would give more respect to this season, especially considering they weren't favourites to win the league and how it represents his development as a manager to work well with resources given. 92.30.58.74 (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section structure

In light of recent conflicting edits regarding the structure of the lead section, I think it's appropriate to set out the reasoning behind my proposal for how the section should be structured. I believe it should be structured like this, with the England and club careers merged to form a "playing career" paragraph, as opposed to the long-standing previous structure of separating them out (for example, like this).

My reasoning for structuring it as proposed is as follows:

Relative importance of club/international careers: As pointed out by Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC, Gerrard's club career, in terms of events, successes, and—perhaps most importantly—coverage in the body of the article, is significantly more notable than his England career. As such, this disparity should be reflected in the coverage of the respective portions of his career in the lead section. Why dedicate an entire paragraph to a relatively unremarkable England career, when there is much more to be said about his achievements and managerial career by comparison? Following the rule of thumb concerning real due weight, it is most appropriate to merge the England and club paragraphs into a single "playing career" paragraph.
Growing significance of managerial career: Given Gerrard's blossoming managerial career, space in the lead section is increasingly going to be at a premium. Devoting an entire paragraph solely for his international career is only going to become harder to justify with respect to keeping the lead to four short, succinct, and punchy paragraphs (following guidance and objectives set out in WP:CREATELEAD). Therefore, it makes more sense to merge the England and club paragraphs when looking ahead on how the achievements paragraph will likely need to be revised (whereas the "playing career" is now over and the relevant paragraph's contents thus largely settled), and when considering the purposefulness of each lead paragraph.
Relative significance and quantity of individual achievements/awards: If we are to adequately summarise Gerrard's most notable successes, which it is appropriate to do in the lead section, I believe it necessary to attribute a paragraph to this instead of lumping it in with the club career paragraph. As explained in 1., we must consider a section's real due weight, and as touched on in 2., space is at a premium in the lead. Both can be better addressed by having two nicely weighted paragraphs—one covering his entire playing career and the other summarising his achievements/explaining his notability in the sport—than the alternative of having one bloated paragraph attempting to cram in his club career and achievements, followed by a much smaller paragraph concerning a far less notable England career.

I'm yet to hear any reasoned explanations for separating international and club career paragraphs, save for that it was the status quo, or that "It’s standard to have club level and international level in different paras"; the latter of which I vehemently disagree with. There is no established or agreed upon "standard" for the structure of the lead section (in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players or otherwise) specifying that the international and club careers of a player should be dedicated separate paragraphs in the lead, as claimed.

In fact, the very idea of a strict "standard" for lead sections of any article (save merely for some recommendations on what should or should not be included) goes against the very purpose of a lead section, which is to be bespoke to each article with the sole objective of summarising its contents. Naturally, the contents of each footballer (and manager) biography will vary wildly, and this should be reflected in varying lead sections. Moreover, articles such as Johan Cruyff and Pep Guardiola show it demonstrably false that there is any uniform "standard" for separating out the two portions of a player's career into separate paragraphs.

Pinging @Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC and @EK Geaham. —Ave (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As a footnote to the above, I would envisage the eventual structure of this lead section, following the conclusion (or at least major development) of Gerrard's managerial career, (provided he doesn't kill anyone or do something else notable outside of the football sphere) would be, following a similar development of the contents of the article itself: (1) the standard first paragraph (name, D.o.B., very brief high-level summary), (2) summary of playing career, (3) summary of managerial career, and (4) summary of achievements/significance/notability. The above proposed structure seems the natural step at this point in time to reaching that ultimate structure. —Ave (talk) 16:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2022

Steven Gerrard has won 11 trophies not 9 at professional level.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/steven-gerrard/erfolge/spieler/3109 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.119.200.171 (talk) 06:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2022

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Add “Gerrard is the only player to score in a champions league, UEFA cup, FA cup and a League cup final.” <https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2016/11/24/29844092/scored-in-a-champions-league-uefa-cup-fa-cup-league-cup> Ashokalex07 (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is already in the article: "A match called The Gerrard Final, the goals made him the only player to have scored in the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup and Champions League finals." --Mvqr (talk) 10:34, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It should be in the intro of the article Ashokalex07 (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I disagree. It is borderline for inclusion being a statistical oddity intersection European and English finals. --Mvqr (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Under club career section, add this quote by Totti, “Steven Gerrard would be the captain of my World XI dream team. Gerrard is a complete player because he can play in every position and can do everything with a football at any time in a game. He’s a player who scores goals, who builds the play, he’s a sensational player.” <https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/23-best-quotes-steven-gerrard-one-fairytales/> Ashokalex07 (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seems problematic per WP:QUOTE. --Hipal (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

why? Ashokalex07 (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Unfortunately, as this other editor pointed out, such a quote would not be compliant with our policies (specifically, WP:QUOTE). Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 21:21, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sacked by Aston Villa

Gerrard sacked by Villa on 17th October 2022 2A02:C7E:AEF:6200:804:2BAE:692D:EA98 (talk) 21:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about that? MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2022

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“who most recently managed Premier League side Aston Villa”. 92.6.169.45 (talk) 21:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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First title in their 10 year history 2A02:C7C:C8B4:B200:6178:9E52:81B4:B46E (talk) 06:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC) First title in 10 years[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 06:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the last sentence in the Managerial History - Rangers section. It simply needs removing as Rangers obviously have a long successful history and this is Celtic fan banter.

Change "On 7 March 2021, Rangers won the Scottish Premiership title without losing a single league match, achieving their first ever league title in their 10 year history."

to

"On 7 March 2021, Rangers won the Scottish Premiership title without losing a single league match." 62.232.74.154 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, left the "first" part in since it is their first in the Premiership. Cannolis (talk) 06:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Change “Rangers first premiership title” in the Rangers managerial section. He lead them to their 55th, not 1st. Poorly worded 2A02:C7C:C87F:DB00:705B:BBAA:73A5:FB6E (talk) 01:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Mvqr (talk) 13:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Premier league title

Steven Gerrard captained Liverpool to the premier league title in 2014 having originally finishing 2nd behind Man City who subsequently where discovered to have broken ffp rules regarding illegal payments to their managers and players. And creating false accounts to inflate sponsorship deals. The phrase is commonly known as "cooking books" or "cheating". 2A01:B340:85:52B7:D914:34E0:AD39:3756 (talk) 22:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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2005 uefa supercup win should be added to honours although he was not apart of squad he still recieves a medal. 2A02:C7F:6098:5E00:F1B7:C2D9:4B07:7B49 (talk) 13:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]