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This article is clearly written by someone thoroughly unfamiliar with the actual content of Mr. Gothard's teachings. I've heard and read what he teaches, and it's just plain not represented accurately in this article. Claims such as his teaching of "male superiority," or the implication that he essentially teaches retribution for stepping out of line, or that he identifies toys as idols, or other clumsy misportrayals of the "basic life principles," strongly suggest that this article was hastily compiled from openly critical third-party material full of intentional misquotes, without any attempt to corroborate objectively against Mr. Gothard's own words or sources. In short, this article is, in its current state, mere propaganda. It should be flagged as questionable in veracity until such time as someone of greater journalistic integrity takes it upon themselves to update it. 47.200.20.97 (talk) 03:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wives are under the “authority umbrella” of their husbands so yes, males have a superior role over women in marriages. Londonequus (talk) 22:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OP is clearly a Gothard zealot, if not Gothard himself. I noticed they didn't provide proof to the contrary, but merely went on an unhinged rant in an attempt to emotionally manipulate anyone who would otherwise disagree. 209.6.200.92 (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a Gothard supporter in any way - but most major Evangelical teachers such as John F. MacArthur, John Piper, RC Sproul (deceased) would hold to a Complementarianism view as Gothard seemed to hold to. None of their articles would state them as believing in "male superiority" and the person who asserts such seems to have no understanding of Complementarianism and would benefit from reading the Wikipedia article on the subject - which clearly states that women "are held to be equal in moral value and of equal status". I understand many many not agree with that position, but why is Gothard treated with pejorative language, and others like MacArthur are said to have " a complementarian view on gender roles"? I would suggest a change to use similar language for Gothard.24.128.180.93 (talk) Mateck (talk) 10:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC) 23:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This comment does not list any specific issues with the content on the page or provide any evidence to change anything Flatbread14 (talk) 00:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Minister

This article should state he CLAIMS to be a Christian minister. He IS NOT someone who practices Christianity rather his religion is a made up theology borrowing heavily from Christianity. What he and his followers have developed is very much a cult-practicing coercion, manipulation and control. Calling him a Christian minister is quite deceiving and quite wrong. Londonequus (talk) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While I otherwise agree with you, this is really a "No True Scotsman" argument. That doesn't really play well within Wikipedia's framework. 209.6.200.92 (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

The ISBN numbers on this page have been an issue for many years. It looks as if Gothard acquired a range of 100 ISBNs at some point, but reuses them. https://search.worldcat.org/search?qt=wikipedia&q=isbn%3A0916888053 for example shows a bunch of books, and not How to Evaluate Music. It's used for more than one item in the bibliography here.

Needs more investigation.

Rich Farmbrough, 14:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Expansion of the sexual harassment/assault section

There is almost no detail about the allegations and lawsuit against Bill Gothard. Some details on the case can be found here: https://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/IBLPAmendedComplaintRev-C010616.pdf Flatbread14 (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is by no means a reliable source and we are somewhat hampered by a lack of them on this subject. St Anselm (talk) 03:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]