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The result of the debate was KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 20:54, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

List of shopping malls

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I believe this to be unencyclopedic, as it doesn't serve any of the purposes of lists. It's unfeasible to make a complete lists of shopping malls anywhere, most shopping malls in general are entirely not notable, and if the list were complete it would serve no purpose. Radiant! 11:29, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Agree with Radiant. Not encyclopedic, unmaintainable. Doomed to be incomplete and inaccurate. --BM 13:01, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but limit to malls of national or international reputation or of long-term historical importance. --Coolcaesar 13:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Seconded. Keep on with restrictions as noted above. With shopping malls going by the wayside in many areas with the coming of the Big Box shopping area format, and retailers like Wal-Mart pulling out of malls all over the place in order to go standalone, there's a gem of an article on shopping malls as a style of commercial area going by the wayside. But to try and list every mall is futile. 23skidoo 14:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm impressed that somebody would actually go to the trouble to assemble this list. But something like this could probably be handled using a category, with the list limited to significant malls as per above. Anyway I'll abstain. — RJH 18:03, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Puh-leese! Can we just get rid of this? How is a global list of shopping malls even remotely encyclopedic? And how would you control the limitations that are being proposed, anyway? Next we'll have articles such as List of shopping malls in Needville, Texas and List of pet shops in Johor Baru, Malaysia. Delete ! HowardB 18:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Worthy of a category for the notable ones (of which there already is one) but to list them all is a bit absurd. Dismas 21:02, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • On the restrictions suggested above, Merge to Shopping mall under a specific heading. IMHO, a list of shopping malls "of national or international reputation" is not worthy of an individual article. vlad_mv 21:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • This list as it stands should be deleted. One way I'd suggest to keep it is re-naming the article to something like "notable shopping malls" and stipulate any malls added must have something notable about them, like the world's largest, etc. 67.41.179.191 00:18, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, a never ending unmanageable trivial list. Megan1967 00:34, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. There's no logical reason why shopping malls should be considered "un-encyclopedic". --Centauri 03:38, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. It is unmaintainable and adds nothing to Wikipedia. Instead, it creates a near infinite series of redlinks which will inevitably invite new users to create articles about all these non-notable malls which will then have to be deleted (wasting our time and frustrating the users). Rossami (talk) 05:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unencyclopedic. --Carnildo 06:15, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The purpose of such a list is to include only notable shopping malls, i.e. those which have articles. Bogdan | Talk 17:41, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • If that is the purpose, why have a category and this list? Why not just have the category? Dismas 21:33, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • Concur with that, and a category also makes browsing easier. Radiant! 10:05, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The purpose of wikipedia is to be a repository of important human knowledge. People spend inordinate amounts of time and money at shopping malls, and thus they must be important, certainly more important than the vast majority of what is in the 'pedia. If you believe it is unmaintable, don't maintain it, but don't prevent others from trying. Lists are important especially when categories are incomplete, lists can include items which do not yet have articles. dml 23:02, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • No, what you have established here is that an article on shopping mall would be encyclopedic. A list of every individual shopping mall worldwide is not, and should instead be found in your local yellow pages. My local shopping mall is not important to anyone who doesn't live near here, and it has nothing extraordinary to distinguish it from other shopping malls. In other words, while most large groups or sets are notable, in general individual members thereof are not. Radiant! 10:05, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. -- Decumanus 07:17, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)
  • Keep. It may be uninteresting to people who have no interest in shopping malls, but there are many retail historians out there who do find interest in malls and a comprehensive list would be beneficial to them. Every mall holds some special value to them, whether you care about it or not. A mall usually doesn't get any respect until it's dead and demolished, and speaking of this, I've been noticing lately that the list is starting to be covered with defunct shopping malls and since this part of retail history is significant, it would be a wise idea if there was a category for that alone, and then there could be a little history of that mall, just like on deadmalls.com.
  • Keep on the basis that the malls mentioned have historical value. There are thousands of malls, however only the largest, strangest, and most complex should receive any notability. It's almost like the schools. Also this list wouldn't be quite as unmaintainable as say the List of people from the United States. Which reminds me, maybe there should only be a US list. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:01, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment to Comment. Do you mean only a US list of malls? 205.188.116.67 00:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes, if any list is going to be made, it should be of US malls only. Even though it sounds US-centric, weren't we the first to build malls? -- Riffsyphon1024 17:41, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
        • Read the shopping mall article, malls have been around longer than the United States. I'm of the general opinion that most malls don't deserve articles, so I vote to Keep the list on the condition that it is a list of notable malls, ie biggest, first mall in a State, etc, deleting most of the red links--nixie 05:00, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
          • If that's to be the article's purpose, then I have no objection to it sticking around, so long as the name is changed so it doesn't invite people to add any or all malls they live near (which is what all the non-redlinked articles that I checked currently look like). —Korath (Talk) 07:09, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, this is not a small and useless article. I know that there shouldn't be articles like (above mentioned)... List of hot dog vendors in Kalamazoo, but the point of wikipedia is to grow the site. You can feel free, though, to take out the hot dog article. Keep. MrDrew508
  • Keep - Notable enough to keep and probably too large for a category. -CunningLinguist 01:20, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; unmaintanable. At the very least, deredlink. —Korath (Talk) 15:13, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Notable. Somebody in the WWW 03:48, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I voted keep above; just to let everyone know, I'm going to prune the page to only stuff with links or famous malls I've heard of (I've been all over the world, so I have a good idea of what's famous and what's not) and keep it for now. Feel free to edit it if you don't like my edits.

--Coolcaesar 06:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Okay, I have pruned the page aggressively. Now it is much more readable and limited only to the most famous malls.

--Coolcaesar 07:52, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Strong Keep, but break it up into subpages sorted by country, as has been done with, for example, universities and radio stations. That way, we keep the complete list (which is encyclopedic), and also make it much more manageable. -- EagleOne

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