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Connection?

"After a visit that same month to the hospital by tap dancer and drummer Marion Joseph "Taps" Miller, Christian declined in health ..." Is there a link between these two facts and if so what is it? Did Taps do something to further the decline of Charlie's health? Or are these just coincidental markers in the chronology. This statement is unclear to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.44.133 (talk) 17:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is a connection, but there is also liability. 2600:8803:5C0C:B600:E546:1C3C:7DAD:A97D (talk) 16:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree..there is a fairly recent book out about him which said at one point he was being visited in the hospital by friends who brought him marijuana and girls which may be the reference..I doubt that`s what killed him..he was the greatest electric guitarist that ever lived in my opinion. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

emusic

I just downloaded a four-album Charlie Christian box set from emusic so I'll have some stuff for this article soon. Ortolan88 03:55, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

'41 Minton's sessions, Django, etc

Those credits are wrong, and the titles were added later to avoid royalty payments. "Kerouac" is "Exactly Like You" and Christian isn't even on it or either "Stardust" that is included in some Minton's sets. One of the pianists is Kenny Kersey. The trumpet is Joe Guy except "Lips" Page On "Lips" Flips." I believe L. Valdes' site "Solo Flight" has the personnel on a discography.- KC

There seems to be some debate if Theolonious Monk was in fact the pianist in the recorded 1941 Minton's Playhouse sessions. The Charlie Christian discography at http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/hansen/Charlie/ccdisc.htm says no.

The bio on the same site gives guitarist Mary Osborne as a source for Charlie playing Django Reinhardt solos in 1938. http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/hansen/Charlie/ccbio3.htm

btw, Does anyone know how the tune called Kerouac got the name? Jack would have been a virtually unknown sailor at the time. A jazz fan to be sure, who maybe made the scene at Mintons, but i doubt he was someone Christian would have named a head arrangement for.

Jerry Newman was friends with Kerouac and named the tune in his honor to avoid royalties for "Exactly Like You." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.166.20 (talk) 04:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I have tried to load photos and they keep getting deleted. I know family members and biographers and have permission to use photos. One in particular is not even copyrighted and in the public domain, but somebody who thinks they know better keeps pulling it down.Erviltnec 02:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Hot" Jazz

The link to "hot" jazz just links to the article on jazz. Is there any way to fix this to actually make it explain something? - The Fwanksta (talk) 05:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hot jazz pertains to the early period of jazz prior to the 1930s swing movement. Mainly, all jazz, pre-1935, was hot jazz.Dogru144 (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on his significance

The first paragraph(s) of the article had very bold assertions about Christian's importance. He certainly was a Genius, but it is essential that we provide references for statments on his importance, especially when referring to "many critics" (a WP:weasel word). nonetheless, the material is very important -we can restore it if we just get some references. I've saved the comments immediately below:

cool and modern jazz.^{[citation needed]} Many critics believe that he alone is the link between hot and modern jazz — that there is jazz before Charlie Christian and jazz after Charlie Christian.^{[citation needed]}

Dogru144 (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are George T. Simon, John Hammond and Leonard Feather weasels? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.24.4.98 (talk) 00:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Funny, the selected quote uses "many critics." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.162.129 (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Made changes to include more overall info in the first paragraph. Erviltnec (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that he was pretty much the first electric guitar player of any kind or significance is enough to include him as relevant. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 05:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References added

I tried my best to list the sources for information presented in this article, plus update confusing presentation, redundancies and syntax. Sign me "Frivolously futile." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.163.83 (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for all the edits, but later noticed errors and omissions. This is true and accurate according to my discussions with the reference authors cited. Some errors may still be included, but will be updated as soon as discovered. - Frivolously Futile —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.167.34 (talk) 05:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Beantwo, quit undoing my work. It is not vandalism, it is cleaning up a mess and making an accurate presentation of an otherwise disorganised article. - Frivolously Futile —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.163.23 (talk) 11:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And, please, remove the banner at the top. I did what it requested. FF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.88.163.23 (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

wiki

I realize this is a wiki, but please try to limit the subject to Charlie Christian and not external links for guitar courses. A whole slew of valid links was destroyed in someone's attempt to delete them. AND - CHECK YOUR GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION!!! signed - "Frivolously futile" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.69.8 (talk) 11:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw that. Thanks. Erviltnec (talk) 11:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fat fingers

I don't know who's doing it, but you've made a mess out of this article. For example in the first paragraph it cites a source, Columbia's "Solo Flight" LP with notes by Gene Lees and someone put a "citation need" bracket following it. This was fine until somebody thought they needed to put their fat fingers in here. I know some of the sources personally and am one myself - who are you and where are you getting your info from?Erviltnec (talk) 04:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gravesite

The Fannin County Historical Museum is aware of this dispute and is trying to remedy it. The present site of the marker and stone were based on Gary Don Rhodes documentary ( http://www.amazon.com/Solo-Flight-Genius-Charlie-Christian/dp/6304324359 ) with little investigation and no eyewitnesses. The dispute is brought forth by Craig McKinney based on eyewitness accounts and descriptions by the family members. Erviltnec (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hackjob

I took two of the photos on this page myself. Someone deleted one of them. I want to say fuck you very much. You obviously have no respect for history and could have contacted me prior to the deletion. I have an urge to delete the whole entry. Erviltnec (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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