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Phillip Lane article edit

You removed a substantive edit on an article on a key figure in European central bank politics with solid data and a good argument because it was a pseudonymous publication. Thanks for promoting critical scrutinty, buddy. Clown show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.72.234 (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Them's the rules. Feel free to acquaint yourself on WP:BLP. --bender235 (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Vernon Jarrett

Hello,

Your comment was reverted by mistake. I did not realize that I had inadvertently clicked the wrong area of the screen after I reviewed the comment that you've left on the Vernon Jarrett talk page. Sending my apologies for that error. →Lwalt ^♦ talk 00:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I figured it must've been by mistake. --bender235 (talk) 02:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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I need a Person to Write an Article

I need a person to write an article about a public servant. What is the process? How do I get in touch with you! Iamthedarknigh (talk) 07:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating an article is fairly simple. Have a look at WP:1ST for instructions and details. --bender235 (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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Gutenberg–Richter law

Your sarcastic edit summary does not make you right. Invoking WP:OWN is always the last refuge of those that do not have a case. Nor does it make me wrong. The "comical inconsistency" was not introduced by me. Rather it was your edit that introduced it, or at least made it worse, by templating only two of the existing 17 references. SpinningSpark 07:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The citation style of the article is inconsistent and incomplete as of your latest revert. Some article titles are in quotation marks, others aren't. For some references publication year is written after author name, for others after journal volume. For some references the year is in parentheses, for others it isn't. I could go on. But I'm not blaming you for that, since it's most likely the consequence of different authors adding "their" citations over the years. What upset me was the implied duty on my part to first having any fixes to the citation style "discussed" somewhere, as if Wikipedia needed more bureaucracy for petty issues like this. --bender235 (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The need for a discussion is explained at WP:CITEVAR. That's mot new bureaucracy, it's established long-standing bureaucracy. I'm not against making the style consistent, but the one thing that editors contributing to this page have been entirely 100% consistent in is not using templates. I see no good reason for not respecting that. SpinningSpark 15:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

"Not using templates" is not a citation style, let alone a consistent one. That's like considering "not using a typewriter" a literary genre. --bender235 (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I beg to differ with that. And you are now contradicting yourself. If templates are not part of citation style, then inserting them certainly cannot be justified with the rationale of making styles consistent. Besides, preserving styles is a globally recognised principle per WP:STYLEVAR, not just limited to citations. There is no specific guidance on using typewriters, and I couldn't care less whether you do or not, but there is guidance on citation templates in WP:CITECONSENSUS The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged: an article should not be switched between templated and non-templated citations without good reason and consensus (my emphasis). CITEVAR also explicitly covers this point; showing that the guidelines recognise templates as part of the style even if you don't. SpinningSpark 16:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I know this policy, and it has been dumb from the moment it was created. It was meant to reduce unnecessary bickering over nuances in citation styles, but it led to stubborn, backward-minded users monkeywrenching the process of converging to a uniform citation style throughout Wikipedia. I mean, think about what is supposed to happen now if we followed WP policy by the letter: I'm supposed to open a thread on the article talk page to ask whether there's consensus to adopt citation templates, and you would object. And it would be only you, because the article had like 4 different contributors over the last half-decade total, most of whom aren't going to bother to respond for months. Bottom line: everything stays as is.

Now to the other point: what I wrote was "no templates" is not a consistent citation style. You can certainly have a consistent citation style without using templates (the article decidedly does not), if you consistently follow some citation manual. But just the fact of "no templates were being used" does not make a citation style consistent.

The reason we have those templates on Wikipedia is to simplify the process of having truly consistent citation styles, both within an article and across different articles. Once you have templates adopted widely, you can change the citation style (if needed) with little effort if needed. And finally, and in my opinion most importantly: these templates create a hidden Dublin Core object (search for "Z3988" in the HTML code any article that uses citation templates) that makes the citations machine readable.

To me, these benefits outweigh the "costs" of templates (are there any, really?). But you, for any reason or no reason at all, will disagree. --bender235 (talk) 17:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I stopped reading after you said the policy "has been dumb from the moment it was created". If this discussion is not going to be based on policy, then I'm withdrawing from it. Editing articles should be in accordance with policy. If you don't like the policy, take it to a policy discussion page, not fight it out in articles. SpinningSpark 14:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

You're free to reserve the right to be offended on behalf of a policy. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. --bender235 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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recent edits to Laplace's Approximation

I have couple of issues with your two recent 2023-02-15 edits to the page on Laplace's Approximation. I'll explain:

1) since wikipedia has encyclopedic nature, it is important that it clearly defines its subject. The previous version's first sentence was:

Laplace's approximation fits an un-normalised Gaussian approximation to a (twice differentiable) un-normalised target density.

which is a concise description of what it actually is. But your edit deletes this.

2) Laplace's Approximation is used in many numerate fields, such as, but not limited to (Bayesian) Statistics, Physics, etc. The previous page made this clear, and presented its use in Bayesian analysis as an example domain. After your edit, you simply silently assume that the domain is Bayesian Statistics.

3) your current edit days "Laplace's approximation provides an analytic expression for the posterior probability distribution...". I have several issues with this: a) "analytic expression" is not very precise, it neglects to mention that it is an approximation and that it is Gaussian, therefore "Gaussian approximation" is much more accurate. b) Laplace's approximation gives both an approximation to the posterior and to the marginal likelihood, this was carefully pointed out in the previous version, but is lost after your edit.

4) the definition given in terms of MAP and Fisher info only makes sense in the particular use of Laplace's approximation to Bayesian Statistics, unlike the previous version.

5) you say "Laplace is justified by Bernstein von Mises". I think this is not necessarily so, I would say at most "may be justified by". Whether or not an asymptotic property is a justification may greatly depend on the application. Clearly, Laplace himself didn't justify his method by Berstein von Mises. This sentence also uses vocabulary which hasn't yet been defined, for example "posterior" and "large sample". It isn't very understandable to a reader consulting the wikipedia page to figure out what Laplace's Approximation really is.

For these reasons, I think the version prior to your edit was superior. If you want to add links to Fisher Information and Bernstein von Mises, I think this would be great, but it should be added much further down in the page, after the necessary concepts have been properly introduced. I look forward to hear your views.

Inference (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the whole reason why Laplace's approximation was split from Laplace's method was so that the former can focus on the particular application in statistics, whereas the latter discusses the concept in more general terms. Since you were the one who originally created Laplace's approximation, let me know what was your original motivation for the split, and how did you plan to distinguish between the two articles in terms of content? --bender235 (talk) 12:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

thanks bender235. The reason that I wrote "Laplace's approximation" distinct from "Laplace's method" is specified in the first line of the page

Not to be confused with Laplace's method, which is based on an essentially identical construction. Whereas Laplace's method focusses on a limiting behaviour of the integral, Laplace's approximation isn't used in the limit, and considers both integral and integrand. This naming distinction may not be universal..

Although the fundamental construction is the same in the two pages, I found it difficult to recognise the use that I describe, which is a pity, as it is fairly simple and elegant. I don't really have a strong view whether this should really be one common page or two separate pages, as long as everything is a clear as possible. A separate page seemed easiest for me. Inference (talk) 19:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

We may disagree on this one, but I prefer the split between Laplace's method in general in one article, and its application in Bayesian statistics in the other. We could ask WT:WPSTATS for additional opinions if you want. --bender235 (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the distinction right now is really "more general" vs "specific to various fields". The current Laplace's method is almost exclusively about the value of the integral in the limit, whereas Laplace's approximation is both about the value of the integral AND the integrand, and not in the limit. I also think that specialising to "its application in Bayesian statistics" may really represent a lost opportunity for unification; the (artificial) boundaries between traditional fields epitomises some of the problems science faces. If we only write pages on a mathematical method specifically and separately for physics, for statistics, for machine learning, for engineering, for signal processing etc, then that blocks cross-fertilisation and hinders understanding and progress. Mind you, I'm not saying there couldn't be a page called "Laplace's approximation applied to Bayesian statistics" -- I just happen to be particularly interested in the unifying view. Sure, other's perspective may be interesting. Inference (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your general plan for these two articles. Why couldn't selected applications also be discussed in Laplace's method? --bender235 (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you think I have plans for Laplace's method, and don't see any reason why selected applications couldn't be discussed on that page. Why shouldn't we have a page called "Laplace's approximation" being about approximating the integrand and integral, not in the limit, and not assuming any specific application field, but including any field where it may be of interest? That would be exactly what was implied by the title, and it happens not to coincide with the current content of Laplace's method (which has been well signposted). Inference (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm sympathetic to your idea, but you have to admit the article as currently constructed really focuses on the Bayesian application (not just the lead, but the example as well). Are you planning to add all the material and use cases you've mentioned? --bender235 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

ok, that sounds good. Yes, the focus is currently on the application in approximate Bayesian inference. I may add the application to neural networks. Technically this is also Bayesian inference of course, but since these models have very large numbers of parameters, the method is adapted in various ways. Inference (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Victor La Mer

Hallo, You recently moved this, citing "spelling of last name according to VIAF", but all three sources use the spelling "LaMer" (chair named for him, NAS biog memoir - ignore the title page, APS fellows list. See also ANB. Could you please move him back to this, the most common spelling of his name. Thanks. PamD 21:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't think I was able to move it myself, but it seems I can do so - leaving this here to alert you to the undoing of your move. PamD 22:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems all library catalogues are unanimous in their spelling. Plus, he seems to have spelled his own name "La Mer" in all his publications (example: [1], [2]), or at least I couldn't find anything that use your suggested spelling of "LaMer". --bender235 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Far from unanimous: Worldcat is not even consistent LaMer or La Mer. I wonder whether Google and Viaf feed off each other? But the four sources I mentioned above seem convincing. See this for an example using LaMer. PamD 23:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Worldcat is not an authority control. I was talking about actual national libaries, like Library of Congress; "LaMer" isn't even listed among the variants there. I'm still not finding those third-party sources credible. When in doubt, we should go by however the person himself spelled his name. His doctoral thesis spells his name "La Mer". --bender235 (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Cute, but WP:DTR. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Maghrebi Jews:

Casting aspersions makes you irrelevant. Consider yourself ignored (lucky in that respect as there is so much I can say about you). M.Bitton (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Much to "say about me"? Don't hold back. --bender235 (talk) 22:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't want to sink to your level. Anyway, you made yourself irrelevant (forever). M.Bitton (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've been contributing to Wikipedia for almost 20 years now, but I don't recall ever crossing you in any way. Seriously, elaborate if you can why you would have an apparent personal issue with me. --bender235 (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Suggest you both take this offline and hat the thread starting with WP:ADVOCACY as it's about personal contributors and not this article. Andre🚐 22:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library

Hey, wanted to see if you had an account on this, as it has a tremendous JSTOR access. Andre🚐 22:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I do have JSTOR access already from work, but thank you for letting me know. --bender235 (talk) 23:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok great. You may already have good sources. Not trying to be patronizing. Just figuring I'd mention it since you were using the Google Books and old NYT links. Those are good too. But there are some really good academic sources behind paywalls. Wikipedia Library also gives you De Gruyter, Cambridge, EbscoHost, Proquest, Gale, etc Andre🚐 23:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, and I do have a preference for academic sources over newspaper articles. We have to keep in mind, though, that most of our readers do not have JSTOR etc. access, so Google Books links are generally a good idea. --bender235 (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Just my 2c, when possible, I suggest you combine the sources like I suggested, bundle the easily accessible Google or NYT primary sources with higher quality academic sources that are more authoritative and less wiggle room for people crying WP:RSOPINION. I get what you mean about trying to make sure readers can access all of the material. That's why I mentioned TWL because I think it's underappreciated and underutilized and you really don't need much to get into it, basically just extended-confirmed user and the willingness to sign up for an account that asks for some information like a real name and email. Andre🚐 23:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Enrico James (musician)

Hey Bender, are you able to verify and approve the wiki article I created? Rickym1008 (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hey, @Bender235 This person needs a Wikipedia page.(Moslem Kazemi) Do you think they have enough notability to do this? Can you see their name in any competitions they have participated in and search? Please help us with this. Thank you.I ,hope (: I apologize if my answer is unclear. [https://media.imna.ir/d/2023/06/01/4/1876109.jpg?ts=1685613740000 Group A) Team Kazma SC) and is on the player's name page.Check the references 1 2 3 4 5 6The most well-known beach handball tournament is the World Championship, and this person has participated in these tournaments with the national team as much as necessary.2022 Asian Beach Handball Championship> Moslem Kazemi ,be created:) ALIREZA HASANVAND (talk) 10:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not writing articles upon request. Please have a look at WP:1ST on how to write an article yourself, as well as WP:ATHLETE on criteria that are relevant to establish this person's notability. --bender235 (talk) 17:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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WikiProject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Kanem-Bornu Empire, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

What I contributed wasn't content, just fixed the bibliography style. --bender235 (talk) 15:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

My bad, apologies for wasting your time Kowal2701 (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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