Talk:Manor house

Suffix with a hyphen ?

How does this "suffix with a hyphen" work ? I've never seen this before in a Wikipedia page. It seems weird that the first examples are name followed by a space and then House with a capital letter. I don't know what is going on here. 173.162.253.101 (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

North American examples, not U.S.

Under the heading "Outside Europe: The United States", it reads "Cultural, economic and legal conditions and the total absence of any kind of hereditary aristocracy in the United States militated against the development of a feudal or manorial land-owning system other than in parts of Virginia, the Carolina Low Country, the Mississippi Delta, and the Hudson River Valley in the early years of the republic." This is not only awkwardly written (how can one have a "total absence" of something, and then list four exceptions to it?!) but it is simply incorrect. First because it's nonsensical to use "The United States" as the category, given that the nation has only existed for about 240 years, all of them after the real era of manor houses. But for almost two centuries before the establishment of the US, North America contained the colonies of many European nations, some of which practiced an hereditary aristocracy, and some of those colonies did indeed contain manor houses. An excellent example would surely be the Manor of Rensselaerswyck in what is now New York State and the eleven hereditary patroons who ruled it for more than two centuries. Another would be the Lordship of Livingston Manor (likewise in modern New York State), as granted to the Livingstons in royal charter by George I. As for members of an hereditary aristocracy: there had been literally hundreds of them living in North America before the Revolutionary War. Consequently, I would argue that it makes more sense to simply strike any references to the United States, and to list examples of manor houses that existed in North America, of which there were many. Bricology (talk) 08:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

You are correct that manorial societies did exist in the US prior to the revolution and the article has been re-written with an example of the Livingston family provided. It also refers to the estancia system of California (prior to US conquest) although there aren't any example existent today of that period. The article limited the discussion to the US since that's what the header refers to. I don't know enough about Canadian or Mexican manorial systems or houses to comment. I think Quebec had a seigniory system but I'm not aware if there are any manor houses remaining from that era. Someone should write a Canadian piece if there are some relics left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8980:64B0:78D8:8363:E3F2:3E30 (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with that analysis. If the US section were very small, a North America section with subsections for CA/US/MX might make sense, but it isn't so it doesn't. Right now, the most significant problem is the absence of evidence to support the US section, which could result in it all being deleted if not rectified. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Germany

This def. needs a section on German manors. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Horst-schlaemma: so write it! (If you are worried about your writing skills in English, do a draft here and someone will edit into colloquial English. Even a draft in German put through Google Translate would be a start. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

"Netherlands" but not Germany?

Why is a, by all criteria, sixth-rate country like Holland listed here but not ONE of the important examples of German architectural history?

--92.208.75.153 (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2020 (UTC)